or "Setting up an Apple II data transfer without building a cable". John: Since you want to move stuff to your PC easily, the null modem option is probably best. And based on my own experience, the ADT program will be the easiest so long as you have an Apple Super serial card and a regular modem cable for your PC. ADT is simple, it transfers unprotected 5.25" disks to /from disk images on the PC side. Make sure your Apple and PC are within the reach of your modem cable. Below is information I wrote for the FAQs. I am modifying it slightly for your circumstance. (Why reinvent the wheel.) 1. Turn off your Apple II computer, take the lid off and rub the power supply box 3 times for luck. (And to dissipate any static electricity on your person.) 2. Set the SSC card for 300 baud. Switches are as follows 0=off=down, 1=on=up 1001111 - 1101110 Just left of the rainbow colored cable there is a 'chip' with a triangle on it. Make sure the triangle points towards the BOTTOM of the card. If it does not, lift the chip out of it's socket carefully and turn it around. This chip is a jumper block. 3. Place the SSC card into slot two of your Apple IIgs. Go into your IIgs control panel and set slot two to 'your card'. Press OpenApple-Control-Esc at the same time to enter the control panel. Make sure to press 'Enter' to leave a menu, NOT Esc. 4. Plug in the PC Modem cable to both computers, modem end into the SSC card, the other end into your serial port on the PC. 5. On the PC, uncompress the ADT122.zip into a folder with the name adt122 on the root of the C: drive for convenience. (I use Winzip for ease of use.) 6. Boot up a DOS disk and get to a DOS prompt. For a Windows 95/98/ME computer, use a 'dos window' by selecting Start/ Programs/ MSDOS Prompt or similar. You may also need to make sure any kind of communications or phone software has been closed. Use safe mode if necessary by pressing F5 when the computer displays 'Loading Windows' at start up. 7. Set up the port for communications. Type in the following command at the dos prompt, replace the X with a port number, 1 or 2 where the cable is plugged into the PC. (If one port doesn't seem to work, try the other. Try both numbers and both physical ports.) mode comX baud=300 data=8 stop=1 parity=n 8. Turn on the Apple II and boot up a DOS 3.3 disk and type the following command. IN#2 Note: If you do not have a DOS 3.3 disk, you can create one by sending the DOS33 file instead of the ADT file, using these instructions to transfer the DOS33 file, then following Rubywand's instructions on making a bootable disk. (Took a really long time to transfer DOS33 at 300 baud before I could send the ADT program.) 9. Go back to your Windows machine and type this into your Dos Prompt window. The first two lines move to to the folder where you have the ADT files. Then the third line starts typing the file on the Apple II. Replace the X with the port number, 1 or 2 as you did above. cd \adt122 TYPE ADT.DMP>comX If you get an error message at this point, you have have the wrong port or an improperly wired cable. 10. You will see the ADT program being typed in by your PC. It will even save itself to the disk before it is all done typing. 11. Once you have ADT on both computers, you should set the SSC to 19200 baud and work from there using the ADT program to transfer standard DOS33 and ProDOS disks. The SSC card switch settings are as follows for 19200 baud. 0000111 - 1101110 I have verified this procedure several times and had no problems. Just remember to do the IN#2 on the Apple before you do try and transfer the file. Thankx, Ed sirghoul@home.com wrote: > Maybe YOU can make a cable!! I can barely handle plugging a board into a > slot!!!! > > The computers I'm using are a stock //gs, and an old 486 with a modem. > > I can plug a Super Serial card into the gs to get a serial port for using a > 'null-modem' transfer cable, or if someone can tell me where I can buy a cable > to go from the round gs serial port to a Pc-type serial connector, I can go that > route. OK, after re-reading the post I also have the following to add. If you want to transfer FILES to the PC instead of disk images, you can still use the hardware set-up I outlined with the SSC and standard modem cable, however that will limit you to 19200 baud. Instead, get the following cables from RadioShack.com or 1-800-theshack to allow you to 'null modem' across the IIgs serial port (round) at 57600 baud using your favorite communications software for the IIgs and PC. (I'll leave it up to you and the FAQs to decide which comm software to use for transferring files.) Get this for Your IIgs: Cat.#: 950-0109 $6.99 (Mac modem cable) Get one of these for your 486 PC depending on which serial port you have, 9 or 25: Cat.#: 950-0191 $6.99 (DB9F to DB25F Null modem cable for 9 pin PC serial port.) Cat.#: 950-0186 $6.99 (DB25F to DB25F Null modem cable for 25 pin PC serial port.) I actually have had both of these set up simultaneously, a modem and a serial card. My comm software talks directly to the serial port despite it being set to 'My Card', ADT talks to the activated slot with the SS card. Thankx, Ed OK, one last thing. If you can't get the two computers near each other for a null modem transfer and they both have modems, you can do a modem to modem transfer if you take a standard phone cord and plug it into both modems instead of plugging the modems into the phone jack on the wall. A 100 foot phone cord is easier than carrying equipment around. Get into the communications software on both computers. Type ATD on one, then ATA on the other. You will hear the normal modem answer and negotiation tones. Now transfer files using the comm software. Thankx, Ed