Tonight I made a significant breakthrough. Here's what I have: Macintosh OS 10.2.3 <==> MacOS 7.5.3 <---> GS/OS 6.0.1 New G4 Mac LC-III Apple IIgs I finally got the Ethernet card working in the LC-III, and it sits under the desk without keyboard, mouse, or monitor, happily running the Localtalk Bridge and behaving as a file server. Ethernet connects it to the G4, PhoneNet cables connect it to the IIgs (soon to a second IIgs as well). It all works. Tonight I downloaded files on the G4, stored them on the LC-III and recovered them with the IIgs. The IIgs can read files directly from the G4, but can't write to it even though it has the proper permissions, it generates a "parameter out of range" error. But that's not such a big deal, after all, I've got that server in there. Okay. So now I can move files across the room without sending them across town first. This is a dramatic improvement. With some clever programming, I could probably do as someone described here recently, I could create a watch directory on the server, write files there with the IIgs and use those files to tell the G4 what I want it to do. "But why should I stop there?" I thought. I've learned recently that the MacIP link layer exists for Marinetti, though it might not be fully functional. So I figured I'd download it and give it a try. It would be just great if I could use the IIgs to telnet into my G4. Particularly when Apple's not-quite-complete applications (culprits so far have been iTunes, iDVD, and DVD Player) decide to lock me out while using the whole screen. Why have an iCrash when I could just log in remotely and iKill the iProcess? (Oops, I guess I've been spending too much time with the Mac). Besides, if I could log in to the Mac, I could do all kinds of neat things, with or without the Internet connection (which is another issue altogether). Well, that's where I failed miserably. My problem? I have an isolated network here. When I start Marinetti, one of the things it does...in fact one of the things it insists on...is to try and connect to an Internet gateway machine. This is where I am getting lost. My network consists of two computers connected to a hub, with one of those computers supplying the gateway to the LocalTalk network (which right now has only two machines on it). That's the closest thing I have to a gateway on the entire network. None of the machines on the network requires either a gateway or a DNS to function; I'm happy to refer to each machine by its IP address, and everything is in the same subnet. Any suggestions for how to get Marinetti to allow this non-Internet connection to work? (Any suggestions for how to allow the G4 to accept network connections via the Ethernet without accepting via the PPP adapter are also welcome, but that's not an Apple ][ issue...) --Dave Althoff, ][. /-\ _ _ *** Thanks for a great season!! *** /XXX\ /X\ /X\_ _ /X\__ _ _ _____ /XXXXX\ /XXX\ /XXXX\ /X\ /XXXXX\ /X\ /X\ /XXXXX _/XXXXXXX\__/XXXXX\/XXXXXXXX\_/XXX\_/XXXXXXX\__/XXX\_/XXX\_/\_/XXXXXX Roughana wrote: : "Dave Althoff, Jr." wrote: :> "But why should I stop there?" I thought. : Rule #1 - If it aint broke, don't fix it :) : :> I figured I'd download [the MacIP link layer] and give it a try. [...] :> When I start Marinetti, one of the things it does...in :> fact one of the things it insists on...is to try and connect to an :> Internet gateway machine. : : Whoa... terminology is crucial to aid understanding. : The MacIP Link Layer needs to establish a connection with a MacIP : Gateway. : : From what you've described about your network you don't have a MacIP : Gateway. : One possible solution is to install IPNetRouter software on your LC : III. : Another is some hardware that acts as a MacIP Gateway such as a Cayman : Gatorbox. Great. Either a $110 box or a $90 bit of software. That exceeds the street value of the entire LocalTalk side of the network. Perhaps I am going about this all wrong. Yeah, I'll install IPNetRouter on the LC-III, which will work for three weeks, anyway. Maybe I will be able to restart that machine every three weeks and reset the software, since the battery is dead in that machine. But clearly the OS-X machine is able to handle AppleTalk the way it's configured right now. I like the idea of being able to run MacIP on the GS'es, and that would be an easy way to interface to the G4's shell. But all I really need to do is pass messages to the OSX machine and get it to do things based on those messages. For instance, "Launch a Quicktime movie" or 'Display the image in this file' or things like that. Obviously the machines can communicate with each other because AppleShare works; I can read files from the OSX machine on the GS, and I can swap files through the LC-III server. Let me ask this, then...Is there such a thing as a LocalTalk messaging system? It ought to be quite a bit simpler than file sharing, but I've never seen it done... --Dave Althoff, ][. /-\ _ _ *** Thanks for a great season!! *** /XXX\ /X\ /X\_ _ /X\__ _ _ _____ /XXXXX\ /XXX\ /XXXX\ /X\ /XXXXX\ /X\ /X\ /XXXXX _/XXXXXXX\__/XXXXX\/XXXXXXXX\_/XXX\_/XXXXXXX\__/XXX\_/XXX\_/\_/XXXXXX