Eric (lonewolf@hotmail.com) wrote: : Hi, : Can anyone recommend me a good equivalent "IDE" for Applesoft Basic : programming on Apple IIe? I have downloaded and tried Beagle's GPLE. But I : don't have the doc. I don't even know how to renumber the line number. There : may be other/better "IDE". I would also appreciate if you can recommend a : Basic compiler. Personally, I swore by GPLE and swore at Program Writer. The nice thing about GPLE is that unless you're fiddling around with the KSW/CSW vectors or other useful hooks, it is transparent to the programmer until you need it. I used to use GPLE all the time (and PLE before it!) but got out of that habit when I started doing programs that all started with... 1 TEXT:HOME:PRINT:PRINT CHR$(4);"PR#3":PRINT:PRINT:HOME That one line of code would, of course, effectively kill GPLE, as PR# resets the CSW and KSW vectors. I found that to be a bit annoying...but a nice feature of GPLE is that RESET would re-hook GPLE and set the 80-column screen. GPLE provided some effective fixes for some Apple programming environment glitches (PLE, for instance, enabled Esc-IJKM screen movement on an Apple ][; GPLE fixed text copying over inverse characters on a ][e). It just takes some discipline to keep from disconnecting it. I did find a bug in GPLE, though...not really a bug, but a program interaction problem. It seems that running GPLE with certain accelerated versions of DOS 3.3 on an 80-column screen will blow up the CATALOG command so that you get the header ("DISK VOLUME 254") but no file listing. I don't remember if this was under Pronto-DOS or something else. It worked fine under 'clean' DOS 3.3, and it always worked fine on the 40-column screen. --Dave Althoff, ][. Applesoft Ace since circa. 1982... -- /-\ _ *** Respect rides. They do not respect you. *** /XXX\ /X\ /X\_ _ /X\__ _ _ _____ /XXXXX\ /XXX\ _/XXXX\_ /X\ /XXXXX\ /X\ /X\ /XXXXX _/XXXXXXX\__/XXXXX\/XXXXXXXX\_/XXX\_/XXXXXXX\__/XXX\_/XXX\_/\_/XXXXXX Dave Althoff Jr wrote: >Eric (lonewolf@hotmail.com) wrote: >: Hi, > >: Can anyone recommend me a good equivalent "IDE" for Applesoft Basic >: programming on Apple IIe? I have downloaded and tried Beagle's GPLE. But I >: don't have the doc. I don't even know how to renumber the line number. >There >: may be other/better "IDE". I would also appreciate if you can recommend a >: Basic compiler. > >Personally, I swore by GPLE and swore at Program Writer. > >The nice thing about GPLE is that unless you're fiddling around with the >KSW/CSW vectors or other useful hooks, it is transparent to the programmer >until you need it. > >I used to use GPLE all the time (and PLE before it!) but got out of that >habit when I started doing programs that all started with... > >1 TEXT:HOME:PRINT:PRINT CHR$(4);"PR#3":PRINT:PRINT:HOME > >That one line of code would, of course, effectively kill GPLE, as PR# resets >the CSW and KSW vectors. I found that to be a bit annoying...but a nice >feature of GPLE is that RESET would re-hook GPLE and set the 80-column >screen. GPLE provided some effective fixes for some Apple programming >environment glitches (PLE, for instance, enabled Esc-IJKM screen movement >on an Apple ][; GPLE fixed text copying over inverse characters on a ][e). > It just takes some discipline to keep from disconnecting it. > >I did find a bug in GPLE, though...not really a bug, but a program >interaction problem. It seems that running GPLE with certain accelerated >versions of DOS 3.3 on an 80-column screen will blow up the CATALOG >command so that you get the header ("DISK VOLUME 254") but no file >listing. I don't remember if this was under Pronto-DOS or something else. > It worked fine under 'clean' DOS 3.3, and it always worked fine on the >40-column screen. I'm curious about what caused you trouble with Program Writer. It's easy to enter with &&, and it sets 80-column mode. I've never used it on anything earlier than a //e, and I seldom, if ever, use embedded inverse or control characters (though I think it can handle them). Frankly, I've seen very little comparative treatment of the few Applesoft editors, and would like to know more. Of course, there's always the fundamental problem with any editor comparison: whichever one you've used most is "best" because none of the others uses the same familiar command keys. ;-) -michael Check out amazing quality sound for 8-bit Apples on my Home page: http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/