tarage writes ... > > K, someone fill me in here...what's with all the personal > attacks recently? .... Art Bell is doing Time Travel tonight (this morning); so, beginning a response to a message posted an hour from now about events in the mouldy past probably makes sense. As Paul observed, it is something of a "Captain Ahab and Moby Dick" thing. The attacks on selected persons and institutions like the archives long ago ceased to make sense. As with Ahab's mad quest, the attacks are fueled now by obsession. Bev's recap comes close to reflecting the 'official party view' of those few who continue the attacks. Unlike the attackers, she is polite and diplomatic. And, unlike them, she sees clearly that they have isolated themselves from the great mass of modern Apple II users. To someone involved in personal computing from its beginnings and II computing since 1980, Bev's portrayal of Apple II activity in the early 1990's is somewhat idyllic. The plain fact is that it was a painful, confused (if interesting) time which saw the final collapse of the 'old empire'. By the early 1990's most of our publications were gone (or featured coverage split with Mac or PC), almost no new games came from major software makers, and most Apple II users were also PC users who viewed their II's as 'the second computer'. (The nothing-new ROM 3 had already demonstrated that Apple was not going to deliver an upgrade which could turn things around.) The reason so many publishers and hardware makers and software developers were fleeing the Apple II scene is simply that, as "scenes" go, it was relatively small potatoes; and, there was no good reason to expect that the situation would improve any time soon. Those who remained after 1992 (including magazine editors) should have known that the 'old rules' centered around a large active market of 'first computer' owners just did not apply any more. As Bev notes, the internet held great promise. What she seems to miss is that this promise could not be realized until the net became accessible to more than the tiny fraction of users represented by groupings like GEnie or the early version of AOL or the early USENET. By the mid/late-1990's, the promise of the internet had, indeed, reinvigorated II computing. Even as traditional software sources dried up, internet archives like Ground and Asimov provided open, easy access via the net. When the last major II print publication closed down, users could turn to the csa2 newsgroups and on-line 'zines for information and news. The market for Apple II hardware and software-- very nearly vanished in the early 1990's-- has revived, too. Web pages, auction sites like Ebay, and the Csa2 newsgroups mean that Vendors no longer have to depend upon print magazines to present their wares. Perhaps it is understandable that some of those who first hyped the 'Apple II on the internet' concept were not prepared to accept the consequences and now oppose the "promise". Still, one wonders, what did they expect? Well, maybe, they expected that II users would be connecting to the net using Apple II's and dependent upon domains like GEnie. Possibly, they assumed that they would control access to all Apple II software and information and that they would decide which opinions were fit for exposure. If, as seems likely, this clique of early insiders expected to become the lords of II computing, then, yes, as Bev puts it, today's internet would be "sort of a big downer". These would-be Napoleons can not boss the public archives; they can not boss USENET; and they can't boss the largest on-line Apple II 'zine. Regarding "bad blood": Of all the many thousands they can not boss, there is one guy who most bothers these internet losers (i.e. 'sends them up the wall', 'sticks in their craw', etc.). He arranged with AOL for the Apple II archives to be moved to Ground, originated modern efforts to get A2 software declassified, set up the original 'Cabi-net public archive, started the first major public on-line A2 'zine, ... . In short, this person is responsible for all kinds of Apple II stuff the vogon types can't boss. He is, of course, Dr. Tom. Naturally, when one of the Outs attacks Dr. Tom, they do not say "he kicked our butts"-- well, sometimes, as in the KansasFest Report scoop, they pretty much do-- but, usually, not. What they whine, rant, etc. about is Dr. Tom "the Pirate!". (And, Dr. Tom has on several occasions admitted and repented for 'being a pirate' during the early 1990's.) On the other hand, if the vogons are truly disturbed by Dr. Tom's modest 'piracy career', one would expect them to hang several of their own members-- guys who cracked commercial games in their prime (the 1980's) and released them on 9600 baud pirate BBS boards. Nope. It's not "piracy" that chaps the vogons. Pure and simple, the "bad blood" comes down to plain old garden variety ENVY. Dr. Tom is not a programmer or some big-deal puffed-up "software developer"; _but_, time and again he produces solid results which benefit Apple II users. Meanwhile, his attackers 'produce', mainly, discord. It's no wonder that they so often post anonymously. They _should_ be ashamed. So, I think, your question is answered. You may suppose that the 'bad blood' goes both ways. To some extent this is true. There are two key difference, though. One: Those who seek to expand II computing and to make it more useful and more fun for all users are the winners. The freedom and openess of the internet makes it hard to boss around any user; and, that's the way we like it. Two: We not do not, in general, wish to drive away anyone. This includes Quantum Cat and other critics. Quoting Bev's somewhat colorful portrayal, the vogon types "flee the web and hunker down with their followers in small, out-of-the-way, or even private boards." It is a self-imposed isolation and prison. When/if they choose to join the 21st century Apple II mainstream, they will be welcome. Rubywand