The Apple II Mail Group wrote: > Surely there is a hardware peek. I just don't know what it is. I'll look at the > AppleWorks code and try to see what it does to get the memory (AM, RM, or XM) > manager in. Yes, there is a hardware peek. Since the IIc and IIc+ always treat the Apple "slinky" card as a Slot 4 device, the peek location is 1148 ($47C). The contents is set by a ROM routine called TestSize. The value is the number of 64K banks of expansion memory. I ran several tests on my IIc (with the memory expansion ROM: (64447) = 3) and IIc+ to see what values I would get. I have a 1 MB card. In all but the last of these tests I had no disk in the drive. From the Basic prompt, I went into the monitor (CALL -151) and typed 47C. I also tried running the "slinky" diagnostic in ROM by entering C40AG in the monitor. IIc: After power on without the memory: (47C) = 0 The diagnostic said there was 1 MB of memory but failed immediately. After power on with the memory: (47C) = 16 (actually 10, hex.) The diagnostic said there was 1 MB of memory and ran successfully. IIc+: After power on without the memory: (47C) = 0 After power on with the memory: (47C) = 0 The diagnostic said there was 1 MB of memory and ran successfully. After running the diagnostic: (47C) = 16 After booting up ProDOS: (47C) = 16 I tend to think about checking a system's resources from a program, but if you want a easy external check for a "slinky", the diagnostic test in ROM is really useful. From a Basic prompt ("["), enter CALL -151 to get into the Monitor. Then enter C40AG. The test will report the size, test the memory, and report success or failure. I hope this helps, Jim