I vaguely remember reading about that cable quite a while back before I figured out how easy a Null modem connection was to do. The pin-out FAQ I suggested earlier will show you the pin signals on both the joystick port and the game socket. They share 9 of the same electronic signals and are synonymous. But of course you will need to refer to the documentation that comes with Ap2222pc to construct the game port to parallel cable. I would imagine you need a signal or two form the game port that are not present on the joystick port, otherwise I'm sure the cable would have been made completely external. OK, looking it up... Yes, you definitely need signals not present on the external connector. Oh, the Extended ascii art needs some work, but it is interpretable if we swap in real ASCII art, borrowed from the FAQ. And we'll add a few signals so we can see what the cable does. :) 1.apple ][ game 16 pin DIP i/o socket ========= Pushbutton 3 (GS only) 9 | * * | 8 Ground Gm Ctrl 1 (Stick-1 Y) 10 | * * | 7 Gm Ctrl 2 (Stick-2 X) Gm Ctrl 3 (Stick-2 Y) 11 | * * | 6 Gm Ctrl 0 (Stick-1 X) Annunciator 3 12 | * * | 5 /$C040 Strobe Annunciator 2 13 | * * | 4 Pushbutton 2 Annunciator 1 14 | * * | 3 Pushbutton 1 Annunciator 0 15 | * * | 2 Pushbutton 0 No Connection 16 | * * | 1 +5V ===| |=== ^ Notch on socket (faces toward front of computer) 2.pc parallel port 25-pin ,----------------------------------------------------. \ 13 12 11 10 09 08 07 06 05 04 03 02 01 / \ 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 / `------------------------------------------------' 3.line connection: 9 lines total apple --- pc 08 GND 25 Gnd as GND 02 PB0 02 Bit0 as apple side handshake in (apple -> pc);data bit 0 03 PB1 03 Bit1 apple input data bit 1 04 PB2 04 Bit2 apple input data bit 2 06 GC0 05 Bit3 as apple side handshake in (pc -> apple) 15 AN0 15 Err apple output data bit 0 14 AN1 13 Sel apple output data bit 1 13 AN2 12 Out apple output data bit 2 12 AN3 10 Ack apple side handshake out Thankx, Ed Bob3000 wrote: > Dunno I you understood me correctly, or If I misunderstood you. The cable that I was talking about uses the game (joystick) port on the Apple and the parallel port on the PC.