=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- APPLE II MUSIC & SOUND FORUM CONFERENCE LOG February 29, 1992 10 PM ET Topic: Bring Your Own Question Forum Leader: Joyce Madden (AFL JoyceM), Forum Assistant: Gene Koh (AFA Gene) Forum Consultants: Greg Dib (ELECTMUSIC), Ed Rosenblatt (AFC Eddie), Lindsay Hough (LindsayGS) Copyright (c) 1992 America Online All Rights Reserved =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- AFC Eddie We're here to help with your music problems! Anyone got any? HydroOne what's going to happen to GS music programs since the system has been canceled? AFA Andy :) AFC Eddie What system's been cancelled? HydroOne the GS AFC Eddie That's news to me! HydroOne or is to be canceled anyway AFA Andy Me too, Eddie. AFC Eddie Here in AMS we will continue to support all available software and systems! HydroOne well, i've been hearing things like system 6 is going to be the last system issued for the GS AFC Eddie I haven't heard anything about GS being cancelled, we're all eagerly awaiting 6.0 and its improvements. Iner Chil when is SoundSmith coimng out with the lastest version? HydroOne what about this Kaliedescope thing i've heard about? Or do you not know either? AFC Eddie What's that? AFA Andy And no one at Apple has said that system 6 is the system software upgrade. HydroOne i dunno, a friend said it was going to be the new system to come out of the IBM deal, and he seems to think that it might not even be Mac compatible, which would be stupid...but i've also heard that no more GSs are being produced or shipped to retailers AFC Eddie Sorry, HydroOne, I've heard no such reports. AFC Eddie But even if there were....There's plenty of good software and hardware to let GS users take advantage of the sound capabilities of the machine. HydroOne good... HydroOne oh well, just wondered about that stuff...thanks, see ya...and keep the music comin. Later all AFC Eddie Bye! Come back soon! AFC Eddie Tonite we're doing help with your music questions and problems. Who's next? Iner Chil lastest SoundSmith version? AFC Eddie The latest is 0.95, but 1.0 is in the works, including MIDI support! AFC Eddie Mike, I want to congratulate you - SoundConvert is GREAT!!! Iner Chil SoundConvert? AFC Eddie Mike, that was your cue! Nuzz Thanks Eddie. I hope you enjoy it, and it should be better when system 6 is out. SoundConvert is both a HCGS utility and a system 6 sound creator/converter, etc. SoundConvert is the only thing to digitze into rSounds AFC Eddie Soundconvert will even import MIDISynth waves! AFA Andy It is the best Sound Utility on the market!! Nuzz So, what do think of the announcement that tool 35 and a revised SynthLAB will be on system 6 AFC Eddie Gee, you had to steal my thunder, didn't you? Nuzz Oops, sorry Eddie AFC Eddie I hear it's an updated Tool 35 too! Nuzz Yes thats true, Fixes some bug-a-boos AFC Eddie I'm assuming the new SynthLAB will play old SL songs. Nuzz right again Eddie AFC Eddie By the way, Mike, I had an idea from SoundConvert... AFA Andy Well let's hope that it does. I have a ton of SL files :) Nuzz what was it AFC Eddie With your great program, it's possible to load a MIDISynth wave and then isolate the portion of each wave that represents an instrument sound, right? Nuzz yes, thats right AFC Eddie And then you can save each section as a separate file, right? Nuzz well, as a seperate rSound or export it to say a HS sound AFC Eddie Then why not be able to use Parik's SynthCreate program in conjunction with yours to make new MIDISynth Waves which are re-combinations of existing ones? Nuzz Sure, thats possible. AFC Eddie That's something many of us have wanted to do for a long time. SkyRydr Just dropped in to say thanks. Once I found the tool, ACER loads fine, but.. AFA Gene Well, you can already do that with SynthCreate alone, but SynthCreate's buggy. AFC Eddie For instance, add a piano sound from Piano.Bnk to the Orch.Bnk sounds. AFC Eddie Problem, Sky? SkyRydr aren't you supposed to be able to play songs? All I get is klicks no matter the playback rate I set. AFC Eddie Sky, it's not for songs, it's for compressed digitized sound files. ELECTMUSIC Agreed Gene... synthCreate is buggy Nuzz We're also doing a sound editor for the new resource utility "Foundation" SkyRydr OK, but the docs for, say, BGMusic say they use compressed songs from ACER...but I get the same result. Nuzz I'll keep in mind loading Midisynth sounds, the "pasting" them to other wave files AFC Eddie Yes, Mike! Nuzz BTW, the foundation sound editor will support cut and paste to the clipboard just like system 6 does with sounds. Most impressive AFC Eddie Sky, I think that means that Acer was used to compress existing song files. AFA Gene Sky, those compressed "songs" are actually just sound files, digitizations of songs. When BGMusic came out, people actually stored parts of songs they liked in digitized sound format and played using BGMusic. Now, the power of the Ensoniq chip has been fully tapped with software like MIDI Synth and NoiseTracker, so no one plays "songs" in the form of digitized sound files (which, incidentally, take up MUCH more disk space than a true songfile format of the same music). HypoMan A question: What is the newest version of SynthLab? SkyRydr I guess I'm just a little out of date. I'll try SynthPlayer instead. AFA Gene How much memory do you have on your system, Sky? Nuzz I think its b4 Hypo. Don't know the version number that will be on system 6 SkyRydr 1.2 Meg, no HD AFC Eddie The latest SynthLAB is 1.0b2, I believe, HypoMan. SkyRydr I hope to expand to 2.5 Meg soon. AFA Gene Sky, and do you want to listen to music in the background while using other applications, or just listen to the music using its own application? SkyRydr It would be nice sometimes. Right now I'm just tinkering until I find what I like. I enjoy songs on their own application, Like SynthLab. HypoMan Thanks Eddie. Are there any beta testers here for SoundSmith 1.0? AFA Gene Do you have NoiseTracker yet? SkyRydr Yes, but I've just started to use it and am not very familiar with it. Nuzz Sky, if you use HyperStudio or HyperCard, Triad has "ClipTunes" that lets _You_ play midisynth songs when and where you like AFA Gene Sky, I'd suggest downloading the songfiles "Dragnet" and "Lambada" (search for those words in the Software Library feature) ... they'll start you off with NoiseTracker really nicely. Hold on, let me look Nuzz I couldn't find Dragnet.. I looked HypoMan Sky: I haven't had much time to work with it...There are new options and new title screen and pleayer screen... SkyRydr Thanks but no HS or card (I need to minimize equipment expenditures for a HD) AFA Gene If for some reason the Software Library search doesn't find Dragnet and Lambada then just browse straight thru the actual NoiseTracker and MOD File library...Those two files are located on the last page of the library. SkyRydr By the way, is there a quick way to index thru the library listings instead of having to start at the beginning and step thru all the time if you don't know the index words? Nuzz I'll look again Gene, but I did try a few times already ELECTMUSIC Anyone working with HyperStudio 3.0? AFA Gene But, sky, remember that whenever a menu is scrolling, you can hit OPEN-APPLE-(period key) to cancel the operation. Thus you can speed thru many menus faster. Nuzz I just got my final 3.0 today.. SkyRydr OK ELECTMUSIC Should have mine tomorrow Nuzz Eddie, I mean a non beta -real version :) As you know, I did some work on HS 3.0 but never had a release version AFA Gene Sorry if i explained that unclearly... when you hit OA-. the menu stops so that you can hit OA-6 "more" to get the next list without waiting for the current one to finish. AFL Marty There has been some work done on making a searchable AppleWorks and HyperCard database though. AFC Eddie I beleive it's now 3.01. Nuzz yes, I think it is 3.0.1 ELECTMUSIC Mike, does Cliptunes still work with 3.0? Nuzz Sure does Greg. Use it from Miniscript. no need for the patch either ELECTMUSIC Ok.... Thats great are there any commands in Miniscript to get Cliptunes to work? Nuzz Not exactly, you use MiniScript for the v2 style xcmds You would rename the HS Xmd(the one on ClipTunes to say "synth.xcmd" then when you type the command in, it would be "synth choose" or synth "name of the song to play" AFL Marty (Speaking of synth tunes, I really like the Civil War tune Eddie uploaded) AFC Eddie Thanks, Marty! Nuzz Yes, I Dl'd that too. Its real good AFC Eddie :) AFL Marty It's a very pretty tune. AFC Eddie My favorites are the ones Greg has done. Gee, aren't we all wonderful? AFA Andy :) AFC Eddie Actually, it may well be due to the efforts of some of the people in this room that SynthLAB will be included with Sys 6.0 AFL Marty I'd like to get some of the longer ones, but the nodes never seem to be with me. AFA Andy ()()()()()()()()()()()()()()() to those who did it :) AFC Eddie Well, the programs Nuzz has done, Greg's tunes on the Cliptunes disk. Nuzz I can say that I was surprised to hear the news AFL Marty Really? Wow! When did you hear that? AFC Eddie I wonder what they've changed about the program. Nuzz If you want to thank anyone, Tim Swihart is the guy to thank AFL Marty I had read that it wouldn't happen. Nuzz You were wrong Marty :) AFC Eddie Marty? Wrong???? Nah!!!! AFL Marty My sources were wrong. :) AFA Andy LOL!!! Nuzz I expect bug fixes Eddie AFA Andy Stop reading that Mword Mag, Marty ;) AFC Eddie That would be nice. AFL Marty That is really excellent news! AFC Eddie Marty wouldn't read a mag like that! AFL Marty I only got it for the articles Eddie :) AFC Eddie LOL! AFC Eddie Yes, a revised version of it, Marty. Nuzz Guess you don't read A2 Central eh, Marty AFC Eddie Nuzz, what edition of A2 Central is it? Nuzz Feb edition, the latest AFC Eddie Thanks. Nuzz There is a system 6 feature by Tim Swihart AFC Eddie Any other 6.0 news there? DangardAce It's half the issue. : ) AFA Andy :) DangardAce Tim's article is more useful than Inslider's. Nuzz Only 4 third party products are mentioned and Triad has 2 out of the 4 :) AFC Eddie What are the 4, Mike? Nuzz ClipTunes, and SoundConvert are mentioned Nuzz Funny story: I was talking to Tim Swihart, and bragging that we were mentioned in the article. Then he told me he wrote the article :) AFL Marty National Enquirer articles are more useful than inCider's. AFC Eddie LOL! AFA Andy LOL Marty! AFC Eddie Funny, Mike! DangardAce Better picture quality, too. AFL Marty lol! AFC Eddie We're doing help with music problems and questions here tonite! Anyone got any? BruceH30 I have wanted to get into music. My six year old is taking piano. AFC Eddie Great, Bruce! BruceH30 What is a good basic outfit to get started with, particularly on the software side? AFC Eddie One good one for the GS is MusicStudio. It allows you to: Enter notes manually and play them back through the computer; Play prepared songs; And enter music through a MIDI keyboard as well. AFC Eddie We have a large library of songs for that program here in our library. AFA Andy Eddie, can't you buy Music Studio from Big Red Computer Club? AFC Eddie You can get MusicStudio for $39 from Big Red Computer Club. BruceH30 What about Master tracks? I have seen that advertised AFC Eddie Yes, you can get that too, but that is a bit more sophisticated, and needs a MIDI interface and instrument to be heard. DangardAce Is Music Studio GS/OS compatible? AFC Eddie Yes, Ace, it is. AFC Eddie Mastertracks is for creating sequences (songs) that get played back through the MIDI instrument only. BruceH30 Given she is already working a keyboard I thought it would be important to attach a MIDI keyboard rather than use the keyboard. AFC Eddie Bruce, with Musicstudio you also get music notation that she can read. With Mastertracks you get better MIDI input and editing of sequencing, but no notation. Do you have a MIDI keyboard? BruceH30 On MS can you play a MIDI keyboard and have the the score appear on screen? AFC Eddie Yes, but only one track. that is, you can't make multi-track recordings, at least not easily. BruceH30 No I do not currently have a MIDI keyboard, I meant she has a piano keyboard. AFC Eddie OK. BruceH30 (It is a player piano built in 1918!) AFC Eddie With MusicStudio, she can play a part and get and print a simple score. AFC Eddie Wow, that's a nice piano! BruceH30 Do you mean that the left hand is one track and the right would be track 2? AFC Eddie Nope, it would all be one track. But with a more sophisticated sequencer, like Mastertracks, you could go back and record another whole track. BruceH30 Thanks I'll check in again! AFC Eddie Bruce, let me know if there is more we can do for you! And thanks for coming by! AFC Eddie ---------------------------Log Off------------------------------