10/24/94 6:24:46 PM Opening ÒChat Log 10/24/94Ó for recording. AFC Softy : Hi Don. :) AFA Don : Hi Larry! AFA Don : What's new AFA Don : ? AFC Softy : Not much... still fighting a cold. AFC Softy : Have you tried the FTP access yet? It went live last week. AFC Softy : I pulled some Apple II files from a couple of sites to see if they'll transfer over to the IIGS. AFC Softy : (if I ever get the dang thing set up again. :() AFA Don : Bumped.. AFC Softy : Yeah... been a lot of that lately. :( AFA Don : Nothing I typed showed up... AFC Softy : Hey Fred! AFA Don : Hi Fred! LTNS! AFA Don : How're things? Fred SoCal : Hi, I getting frustrated, every time I try to read the update I get garbage AFC Softy : Don... did you see my comments about FTP? AFA Don : yeah, right, I replied but the replies are stuck somewhere between here and Vienna, I guess... AFA Don : Any luck with the 2GS files from FTP sites? AFC Softy : Fred... wished there was something we could do about that. :/ Fred SoCal : That is, the first two choices on the Hdwr menu AFC Softy : I got some files off on the PowerBook. But the IIgs is still not setup (no room in the office for it AFC Softy : now :() Fred SoCal : I get a narrow column that cuts out the two thirds of the outer edges. :( AFA Don : Hmmm. Haven't checked that this week. Fred SoCal : Let's Discuss and other choices and here are ok. AFC Softy : afjk :) AFA Don : Looks ok to me, Fred, except that it's the ADV update here, not AHW's... AFC Softy : Don... the Apple II software fouls it up tho. Fred SoCal : Its been this way for about a month or two. AFC Softy : It's readable for everyone else. Fred SoCal : (I have a IIGS) AFA Don : I've got a hunch that AOL is making changes bigtime... Probably getting out of the Apple II AFA Don : business a little early. AFA Don : I'm on my PowerBook now, don't see 'em... Fred SoCal : Its been hard to get logged on - just ring, ring ring - took 4 tries to ... AFA Don : I've been doing E-mail on the 2GS, will miss that. Fred SoCal : finally get on & I could hear it ringing. AFA Don : Everyone's been having problems, it seems. Fred SoCal : I was afraid of that, Don. AFA Don : My best guess is that they're cutting in more computer horsepower, running on reserve AFA Don : 'til they get the bugs out. In the long run, things'll be better. Fred SoCal : I seriously wonder if the big get together will be able to go off as planned.. Fred SoCal : on the 31st. AFA Don : Do you have another platform, Fred? Or will you be locked out after November 1... Fred SoCal : I will be locked out for quite a while. AFA Don : ...I don't think there are that many Apple 2 users still around. Be interesting to see.. AFA Don : I've gotta say that if you only see AO from the 2GS, you're missing some spectacular stuff... AFC Softy : Fred... everyone has had trouble getting on. SprintNet has been adding nodes to catch up with AFC Softy : the demand. AFA Don : AO has evolved into something very different, A2, of course, can't see the changes. AFA Don : Wish SprintNet would go 14.4 up here, I'd like to try that speed soon... AFC Softy : They're supposed to be installing 14.4 modems everywhere, Don. Just haven't got the software part AFC Softy : of it going. AFA Don : That's good news. I keep trying at 14.4, no joy. In Vancouver, WA, where I go online three or four AFA Don : times a year, there are NO nodes faster than 2400... And that includes Portland... AFC Softy : Ouch!!! AFA Don : What modem did you get with your PB 180, Larry? AFC Softy : Have you checked the 9600 area lately to see if there have been any installed? AFC Softy : PowerPort Mercury. AFA Don : yes, doesn't work. AFA Don : Same modem here. AFC Softy : Huh... AFA Don : I have trouble using the PowerPort Mercury driver with Mac 2.5.1, though. Hayes Basic works, though. AFA Don : Can't do long downloads with the PP Merc driver. AFA Don : Have you been able to access at 14.4? Fred SoCal : I have begun to get active on Genie and have been able to DL at 9600... AFA Don : I gave up on Genie a long time ago, cancelled my account. Fred SoCal : using Sprint net with only a $2/hr surcharge over the $3/hr regular fee. Fred SoCal : that just started about a month ago. AFA Don : I don't llike surcharges... Fred SoCal : It's my understanding that they are getting ready to drop the surcharge and go Fred SoCal : to having that 9600 available on all Genie nodes. AFA Don : That'll be a good move for them... Surprised they didn't think of it earlier. Fred SoCal : Don't quote me on that as gospel, but that's what I heard. AFC Softy : Don... haven't been on at 14.4. But I'm using the PowerPort Drivers. AFA Don : Last time I was on, it was a surcharge for 2400! AFA Don : Maybe it's a conflict with something in the 170. Fred SoCal : Its been the same for 2400 and below for several years at least. AFC Softy : GEnie supposedly announced lower rates the same day as AOL announced theirs. AFA Don : I didn't have a problem with earlier beta versions, just happened when they upped to 2.5.1... Fred SoCal : Are you refering to CoPilot, Don? AFC Softy : Huh... well... they closed off the bug report area, so I guess this is what we get untilk the next AFC Softy : update. :) AFA Don : No, Fred, never used that... AFC Softy : Fred... no.. MacAOL. :) AFC Softy : v2.5.1 is the newest version that's going out to everyone soon. AFA Don : hello, Frank! AFC Softy : Frannnnnnnnkie!! :D BCS Frank : Don, y'all, Hi! :) Fred SoCal : That is a IIgs front end for working offline and doing all the DL, ... Fred SoCal : meassage reading, and uploading of messages at flank speed. AFA Don : Don't think they had that, when I cancelled out on Genie... Fred SoCal : Hi Frank :-) AFC Softy : so what's new in Beantown Frank?? BCS Frank : Talking about the GEnie front end? GEM has been around, one version or another ,for years. Fred SoCal : The latest update of CoPilot was v. 2.5 and ythat was about 3-5 months ago. BCS Frank : The crowds are growing restless, as we prepare here for the final AFC Softy : I understand that GEnie is working on a stand alone front end for the IIgs. BCS Frank : Apple II days on AOL. BCS Frank : It should be quite a bash. AFC Softy : (or some IIgs programmers are anyway. :) Fred SoCal : GEM has also been updated, I find CoPilot quite useful so haven't investigated. Fred SoCal : GEM myself. BCS Frank : Right, I think the GS specific front end is a 3rd party product. BCS Frank : afk.... Fred SoCal : Both CoPilot and GEM now work with ProTerm, TIC, Spectrum, and a few others. AFC Softy : I'm still debating on getting a GEnie account. Fred SoCal : Both CoPilot and GEM are freeware and easily DL from GEnie. AFC Softy : I probably should for a little while, just so I can keep up with the A2 news. AFC Softy : Give me a chance to use my Zterm. :D BCS Frank : bak :) AFC Softy : turn around Frank. ;) AFA Don : You can use Zterm on the AO Data BBS... I did the other night when I needed to dl an older version BCS Frank : I'm already rather round :) Fred SoCal : They do have both Xmodem, Ymodem, & Zmodem for DL. AFC Softy : :D AFA Don : of the Mac software.. Did it at 19.200 with Zterm, really flew! AFA Don : ...I got caught in Vancouver with only a beta version of the Mac software when they said they AFA Don : were going to lock it out, so had to get the old version pronto... AFC Softy : CoPilot and GEM are also here Fred. Sheppy uploaded them a couple of months ago. Fred SoCal : Ah, so others who are locked out can try them out on Genie. AFC Softy : Oh yeah... I had that happen one Don. I keep v2.1 on my PowerBook just in case. AFC Softy : Right. AFA Don : I thought I had it, but I forgot on this last trip... AFA Don : About a 9-minute dl at the high speed! AFC Softy : I keep the v2.1 disk in my PowerBook case too. Fred SoCal : I suppose I'll have to eventually get a Mac, but I find the GS doing a great .. Fred SoCal : job for me so far. AFA Don : It'll still do what it used to, that's for sure. AFC Softy : AOL is finally shipping Windows AOL 1.5 with magazines. Used to be just v1.1. BCS Frank : Well, with new software and hardware coming out for the GS, and the e/c, why not? AFA Don : I do enjoy being able to compute on my lap, in the living room.. AFC Softy : But 2.0 is coming out soon. Makes no sense sometimes. :) AFA Don : ...can't do that on the 2GS, but when I'm at my desk, the 2GS still shines... AFC Softy : I'm not giving up my IIgs either. Fred SoCal : I may get a laptop as my first Mac for that very convenience. AFA Don : I recommend it, Fred... Very convenient. AFC Softy : I just need to find the 22uh coils I bought and fix the darm monitor. :) AFA Don : Too bad there wasn't a laptop 2GS... AFC Softy : darn even :D AFA Don : You still haven't done that, Larry? It's a ten-minute job! Fred SoCal : Now that would have been great, Don. Fred SoCal : I take it your monitor is either Red, Ge AFC Softy : I know Don... problem is the coils got packed in with a bunch of other stuff and I haven't found them AFC Softy : yet. :((( Fred SoCal : green, or blue, but not all three. :-) AFC Softy : Uhhh... Fred... it's been so long I forgot. :D AFA Don : Just short the coils that are in the monitor, it'll work almost as good... AFC Softy : But it's blue if I remember right. AFA Don : Short 'em all, that'll fix it for good. AFC Softy : Never had a green screen. AFA Don : That's coming. AFC Softy : Just red once... and blue twice. :) AFC Softy : Not if I change all three coils Don. That's what you said. ;) Fred SoCal : I've got a Magnavox monitor at home here and push a button to get all green ... AFA Don : I've got another intermittent in my 2GS monitor. Brightness jumps up and down, but it doesn't Fred SoCal : just for kicks. :-) AFA Don : bother me enough to get me off the dime to fix it. AFA Don : When my wife complains (she maintains our VCR database), I'll fix it! AFC Softy : :D AFA Don : Fred, when the green disease strikes the 2GS monitor, you can't see any video, just green! AFC Softy : Wives do offer incentives... :) AFA Don : Carrot and the stick... AFC Softy : (even girlfriends like mine. :) Fred SoCal : The Magnavox has the added advantage of being hooked into my cable for TV. AFC Softy : Sony had the nicest monitor for the IIgs tho. I have a friend who has one. Fred SoCal : Through a VCR so I can watch, record or use the computer. AFA Don : That Sony is a terrific 2GS monitor. Fred SoCal : oops, the dulcet voice of my love calling, be awk for a min. AFA Don : Hello, Walt... AFC Softy : Marc Wolfgram told me once that he used the VOC to watch Star Trek in the background on his IIgs while AFC Softy : he programmed on it. :) AFA Fixit : Hi guys. Sorry I'm later. modem trouble. AFC Softy : Hey Walt! :D AFA Don : How clever... AFA Don : Your new modem, Walt? BCS Frank : Walt, Hi! :) AFA Fixit : I don't have a new modem. My in-law's modem died. AFA Don : OIC BCS Frank : So how's she signing on now? AFA Fixit : I pulled out my travel backup modem. AFA Fixit : An old Epic Mini. AFA Don : Speaking of modems, Kent Fillmore's back online with Draco, supports 14.4k... Nice! BCS Frank : "Be Prepared." :) AFC Softy : I can't imagine Walt being caught without a modem. ;) Fred SoCal : Back :) BCS Frank : Draco's back on AOL? AFA Fixit : I still have a another modem to fall back on. BCS Frank : Telenetting in from eWorld? AFA Don : No, Frank, he's running his own BBS called DRACO... AFA Don : Nice operation... AFC Softy : You have a number for it? AFA Don : I'll get it... BRB BCS Frank : Ahh... witha LeftCoast phone number? AFC Softy : re's Don :) BCS Frank : After hearing Mainers talk about Down East I ain't gonna complain. :) Fred SoCal : ReHi, Don. AFC Softy : Frank :D AFA Don : Back... I tried to access Zterm to read Kent's phone number, it seized my serial port, locked me AFA Don : up! AFC Softy : Ack =:o BCS Frank : Heck, SimCity-GS sounds like it just takes some red tape to get it released. :) AFA Don : DRACO is at (415) 574 4523... It's a toll call, but at 14.4 kbaud, you don't need much time! Fred SoCal : Hmmm... a little lubricant can prevent seizing AFA Don : Right, Fred! AFA Don : A little anti-sieze compound! That's what we need! AFA Fixit : Can't understand why Global Village can't bundle something better than Zterm with their modems. AFA Don : Right, ZTerm is a cry for help... Fred SoCal : (I haven't found a good electron or byte lubricant, though) ;-) AFC Softy : Walt... the price was right probably. BCS Frank : VT-100 or whatever works with his board? AFA Don : It does work, though. Kent's got a comm program on DRACO that really flies, I use it to call DRACO.. AFA Don : Think so, Frank... Nothing special needed... AFA Fixit : I guess it's better than Quicklink II. BCS Frank : Mix a few tachyons in with the electrons... speeds up everything. :) AFA Don : Tardyons are my speed these days... Fred SoCal : I understand that liquid helium works pretty good. AFC Softy : Frank... but that initiates a temporal distortion creating an anti-time emmision. AFA Fixit : Incredible, the message I tried to read 4 minutes ago just popped up on my screen. AFA Don : Yeah, that's neat stuff. have seen some mindboggling demos with liquid helium at Stanford Fred SoCal : Even liquid nitrogen does well with some of these exotic materials. AFA Don : and Cal Tech... BCS Frank : Yeah, after everything else we've spend on Apple IIs a little liquid Helium is worth it. :) AFC Softy : hmmm... maybe we should do that to AOL so we can go aback to the ALPE days. }:D AFA Don : Ah, the good old days! AFC Softy : (I miss the days... before MTV Yak.... ;D) Fred SoCal : I got a sample from some science supplier of a material that, if you immerse .. BCS Frank : Hmmm... do you have the coordinates for, say, a 10 year old John Sculley? AFA Don : Me too, Larry... Fred SoCal : it in liquid nitrogen and then drop a special small magnet over it, the ... AFC Softy : Speaking of Sculley... he's supposed to be involved in some one day conference thing down here this AFC Softy : next month. Fred SoCal : zero resistance and the magnetic field set up suspends the magnet in thin air. AFA Don : ...heard about those kits, haven't had my hands on one... BCS Frank : levitation... yeah, I've seen videos of that. :) AFC Softy : He's one a several people highlighted for it. AFA Don : I've seen that done in liquid helium, it's awesome. Fred SoCal : This I have done in my high school chem class. Fred SoCal : Set up properly on an overhead projector, the whole class can see it. AFC Softy : Isn't that superconductivity? Fred SoCal : Yup AFA Don : One and the same, Larry! AFC Softy : Thought so... read in the paper the other day where IBM is working with another company on something BCS Frank : Amazing what happens in High School nowadays... remember we used to collect Phlogiston... AFA Don : Problem with the liquid nitrogen temp stuff is that the ceramics can't be drawn into wires.... yet... AFC Softy : using superconductivity. AFA Don : Frank, you're not that old! Fred SoCal : Yup, Don, that is indeed the problem. BCS Frank : Everybody but Reader's Digest wants to get the breakthrough in Superconductivity. BCS Frank : Well, life was more leisurely back then. AFA Fixit : No, they announced a joint venture with GE last week. ;) BCS Frank : :) Fred SoCal : Fortunately, Supercon's success has exceeded that of table top fusion :-) AFC Softy : That was it Walt. BCS Frank : I -was- so hoping for cold fusion... coulda had a perpetual power suppply in m gs. :) BCS Frank : my gs ^^ Fred SoCal : I'm with you, Frank, so did I. :-( AFC Softy : the Pentium chip is living proof that you *can* shrink a TransWarpGS down onto a single piece of AFC Softy : silicon. :D BCS Frank : Remember loving the lil' "Mr. Fusion" unti in Back to the Future. AFA Don : You weren't hoping for it as much as Pons and Fleischmann! BCS Frank : Yeah, we may -never- develope a "Cold-Pentium." :) AFA Don : Ah yes, the Flux Capacitor... and 1.2 GWatts of power! Fred SoCal : They ended up with "brown" egg on their faces. Fred SoCal : Pons & Fleischmann, that is. BCS Frank : Then there are the multiple CPU nodes on the Enterprise... they work in static warb bubbles BCS Frank : to allow FTL data transmission. BCS Frank : That -would- be a transwarp card for the gs. Fred SoCal : I still get questions on matter-antimatter engines as if they were real. BCS Frank : Tell them... read the manual! AFA Don : Me too, Fred... Amazing how much fantasy people have bought into... BCS Frank : First! BCS Frank : On the other hand a significant minority still believe the Lunar landings were just a government BCS Frank : special effect fake. AFA Don : Capricorn One! BCS Frank : Yeap... Fred SoCal : Actually, it leads to a discussion of what antimatter is, etc. quite useful. AFC Softy : Don... it isn't that surprising. A lot of things we have today originated from concepts the original AFC Softy : Star Trek series offered. AFA Don : There's a strong thesis that Buck Rogers inspired the space race... I think it's true... AFC Softy : Velcro for one... :D BCS Frank : Well, all the concepts in Trek were around before.... they just borrowed and passed them on. BCS Frank : Don, you're not too far off... Fred SoCal : I'm willing to use anything that grabs their interest to keep students going. BCS Frank : the background of thee Lunar Rockets runs directly back to a n SF AFC Softy : Frank.. true... but Star Trek provided uses for them. BCS Frank : film in Germany, where the young BCS Frank : advisor, Weiner, made up a special effect rocket.... BCS Frank : for the potboiler "Woman in the Moon." BCS Frank : The deal was the studio paid for the Rocket, which was used in the film, and then fired BCS Frank : for the last filming. BCS Frank : It was of course an early liquid fuel rocket, BCS Frank : the buiggest to date of the amateur Germen Rocket Society. AFA Don : ...well, if it hadn't been for the Apollo program, we probably wouldn't be online tonight... BCS Frank : The shotsa of the Lunar Rocket on a crawler slowly moving out of BCS Frank : the VAB were near exactly what the real thing loked like years later. AFA Don : ...and how about Jules Verne picking Cape Canaveral for the moon-rocket launch! BCS Frank : Cause of the computer and communications net developed? AFA Don : ...and the impetus for LSI circuits... BCS Frank : Nahhh... he was several miles off! :) BCS Frank : Yup, Heinlein used to talk about how his life was extended because of the arterial bypass surgery that BCS Frank : came directly from NASA research. AFA Don : Speaking of space, I saw a demo of the new RCA DSS satellite tv service, it's GREAT! BCS Frank : Course that was only fair.... in WWII he and Isaac Asimov worked in the same AFA Don : 150 channels, 18-inch dish, all digital. BCS Frank : lab designing what the air force thought was BCS Frank : a high altitude suit, but they knew was a prototype space suit. AFC Softy : Don... how much is that system? Fred SoCal : Unfortunately, I have to go and will probably not be able to be here next week.. BCS Frank : Hmm... I'd love to beta test that! :) AFC Softy : I've been hearing a lot about it. Fred SoCal : as I have a pervious appt. :-( AFA Don : Two versions, one is about $700, the other about $900. Check the new Radio Shack catalog for AFA Don : a description... BCS Frank : Fred, you're gonna miss the party!? Fred SoCal : :-( BCS Frank : just cause of a perverse appointment? AFA Don : Only defect I could see, on fast pans, it looked like the frame rate dropped to about 10/second... AFC Softy : I'd heard about that one too. Fred SoCal : About a year or so ago I had to schedule something on Monday eves and ... AFA Don : keep in touch, Fred... Hope to see you back again when you get Mac'ed... Fred SoCal : couldn't make it here very often. BCS Frank : Fred, let me know where, I should have a log or two. :) AFC Softy : someone could always stick it up on GEnie :D Fred SoCal : In the mean time, I will be active on Genie, drop bysome time. bye BCS Frank : Remember Internet mail goes everywhere now, even New Jersey. AFC Softy : Seeya Fred. :D AFA Don : Bye Fred! CU soon, I hope... BCS Frank : Name on GEnie? AFC Softy : Fred... what's your screen name on GEnie? Fred SoCal : I am Fred SoCal or, legally F.Kriechbaum there. Bye. BCS Frank : Bye, see ya Fred! :) AFA Don : Bye... BCS Frank : That's one thing GEnie doesn't have.... extra screen names. :( AFC Softy : Well... GEnie's not based on 1990's technology either. :D BCS Frank : Neither am I. :) AFA Fixit : At half duplex, I'd say not. AFC Softy : See?? You fit right in. :) AFA Don : Nor I... BCS Frank : :) BCS Frank : Well, it's that hour again where I turn into a dust bunny... BCS Frank : Good night, gentlemen.... AFA Fixit : Night Frank BCS Frank : :: poof! :: AFA Don : Good to see you again, Frank... Thanks for dropping by.. AFA Fixit : I'm ready to call it a night myself. AFA Don : yeah, me too. Hard day today. Losing my capacity for physical work, I fear... AFA Fixit : Night folks. AFC Softy : nite Walt. :) AFA Don : ...I dry-walled the garage, painted it. 'Nite, Walt... AFC Softy : I've been working six days a week the last two weeks. AFA Don : ...and then there were two AFC Softy : After being off for three months it's catching up to me fast. AFC Softy : I had a three hour nap today. AFA Don : I'll bet AFA Don : Those are habit forming, you know... AFC Softy : :) AFC Softy : Well... I'll be back down to four or five days soon. AFA Don : Well, I've gotta sign off, get some other things done around here before I nod off... AFC Softy : Okay Don... take it easy. :) AFA Don : My plan exactly! AFC Softy : :) AFA Don : Catch ya later, Larry! AFC Softy : Seeya soon :) 10/24/94 8:05:48 PM Closing Log file.