9/5/94 6:27:46 PM Opening ÒChat Log 9/5/94Ó for recording. KevinK8363 : Don are you in this room AFL Don : Hello, Kevin AFL Don : Yes, I'm here... AFL Don : This is supposed to be the Apple Hardware Forum chat tonight, but because of the holiday it's an informal session.. KevinK8363 : I need to find a solution to a problem with my Mac AFL Don : What seems to be the problem? KevinK8363 : I have a Performa 475, with system 7 KevinK8363 : It does not have enough memory KevinK8363 : I need to find out how to add ram memory KevinK8363 : any ideas? AFL Don : have you considered RamDoubler? I use it on my PowerBook 170, and it's terrific.. KevinK8363 : What is RamDoubler AFL Don : for about $50 you get double the ram, and I can't find any drawbacks... KevinK8363 : How does it work AFL Don : It is a software solution sold by Connectix. You can check it out by using keyword Connectix here on America Online. KevinK8363 : Thanks for the advice I will probably try it AFL Don : It works by using virtual-memory techniques on the actual ram you're using, so pieces of code that you don't need at the moment are compressed. KevinK8363 : I like the idea of compressing what you are not using at the time. AFL Don : Effectively, you get 8 megs of memory with only 4 megs installed, and it only slows down the operation AFL Don : by about 5% ...Unnoticeable. AFL Don : I think it's great, best money I've spent on my Mac. KevinK8363 : It sounds like a better idea than turning up the v-memory which really slows it down or turning off the extensions AFL Don : There are some programs that have trouble with it, but they are well documented, and you're probably not using any of those anyway... KevinK8363 : I am having trouble trying to run PageMaker 5.0 KevinK8363 : it really eats up the memory AFL Don : not sure about PageMaker, but you can ask the Connectix people online, they'll tell you if it'll AFL Don : help. AFL Don : I only have 4 megs in my PB, and it wasn't enough. With RamDoubler, I keep all programs I regularly AFL Don : use in memory at the same time... Magic... KevinK8363 : Thanks a lot Don , I really appreciate the help see ya soon I am going to go check it out *Goodbye* AFL Don : See ya.. Let me know what you think... AFL Don : Hello, John, Welcome to the Apple Hardware Forum Chat AFL Don : First time in AHW, John? JohnS3643 : yes AFL Don : Sometimes we have a big turnout, sometimes not, probably be low density tonight because of Labor Day AFC Softy : Hi Don :) AFL Don : hey, hello, Larry! AFL Don : LTNS AFC Softy : Yeah Don... LTNS. My lifestyle isn't the same anymore since I moved. ;) AFL Don : What computer do you use,John? JohnS3643 : Mac AFL Don : PowerBook 170 here, but use my 2GS a lot also... JohnS3643 : How do I keep incoming calls from interrupting when I am on line? AFL Don : You can change your setup for AO to switch off Call Waiting... AFL Don : There's a button for that purpose on the setup screen... Self explanatory... AFL Don : Yeah, you just missed the big fire about the time of your move! AFC Softy : John... at the sign on screen go into your setup area. You'll see a check box that covers turning AFL Don : Best way, though, John, is get a second line. That's what I did, keeps peace in the family... AFC Softy : off call waiting and such. AFC Softy : Yeah... Don.. I just did that. AFC Softy : (put in two lines.) AFC Softy : PacBell had a special on installing a second line to homes and that's what I did. AFL Don : Considering the convenience, it's really worth it... JohnS3643 : good idea,thanks AFL Don : In my neighborhood they're running out of good pairs. (Old cable) so I was lucky to get my line. AFL Don : I just happened to request the second line when they had one open up, others can't get 'em.. AFC Softy : Down here... it was a 10 day wait. PacBell was swamped with orders based on that special. AFL Don : I've had three different pairs on my voice line in the last two months. They all have intermittent AFL Don : problems... AFC Softy : Down here = El Cajon :) AFL Don : Right... AFL Don : No special when I got mine, I just bit the bullet. (Cannonball), paid the big fee.. AFC Softy : Well the special here was a $20 discount on installation. I still had to pay to have a couple of AFC Softy : lines strung around the house here. :/ AFC Softy : Wished I had known then what I know now. :( AFL Don : ...it's nice, because I have it online for faxes at all times I'm not BBS'ing around.. AFL Don : I did all my interior wiring... JohnS3643 : out of numbers here. Going to split the area codes soon. may open up more lines. AFL Don : Lotta that going on. What'll they do when they run out of area codes? We'll probably all have to go AFL Don : to longer numbers... AFC Softy : I don't doubt they'll be out of numbers down here in the 619 area soon, either AFC Softy : Don... either that or change their programming system. AFL Don : I account for 4 numbers, my daughter has her own phone, plus I have a cell phone with its own # AFC Softy : I remember reading an article about that problem a while back. Savagedoc : Does anyone currently online know how to import data into a ClarisWorks spreadsheet from a Savagedoc : Non-Claris database??? AFL Don : Hello, Doc, welcome to the Apple Hardware Forum chat.. Savagedoc : oops... desperate sorry... AFL Don : Sure... The ClarisWorks translators'll handle most of the popular formats... AFL Don : Every one I've tried works like magic.. JohnS3643 : bye AFL Don : Bye, John. good to have you with us... Savagedoc : Thanks. bye AFL Don : Bye... AFL Don : Hello, Spoon! AFL Don : Welcome to the Apple Hardware Forum Chat... DSpoon : Hello AFC Softy : I'm not sure what that message means anyway. AFC Softy : Obviously Gary doesn't either. AFC Softy : hi DSpoon :) AFL Don : First time with us, Spoon? DSpoon : I guess I'm in the wrong room, my problem isn't with an Apple Computer AFL Don : With a Mac? Maybe we can help there, too... AFC Softy : What kind of system do ya have? We may be able to point you in the right direction. :) AFL Don : ...If it's a PC, though, I can only spell PC DSpoon : No, a DOS machine. AFL Don : You'll probably find help in the PC areas, then... AFL Don : Just outa curiosity, what kind of problem are you having? DSpoon : Do you where I could find help with a problem with device drivers for a Mitsumi CD-Rom? AFL Don : ...maybe AFC Marvin, who'll be here later, can help. He's on the AHW staff, but is trying to get AFL Don : a CD-Rom going on his PC laptop. Knows quite a bit about it. DSpoon : What does AFL, AFC, AHW stand for? AFC Softy : I'd say that's something that either the PC Hardware Forum or DOS Forum could answer. AFL Don : AFL is Apple Forum Leader, AFC is Apple Forum Consultant, AHW is Apple HardWare AFC Softy : The AFx headings come from the old AppleLink Personal Edition days. DSpoon : Well Thanks guys, when I buy my next Mac, I'll come to you for Help. AFC Softy : The A used to stand for "AppleLink"... :) AFL Don : Great! AFL Don : I didn't know that, Larry! Should've guessed, though. Never thought about it... AFC Softy : don... just like the PCx header came from PCLink. :) AFC Softy : Walt!!! :D AFC Softy : {{{{{{{{{{{Beckster}}}}}}}}}}} :* AFA Fixit : Hi Larry. AFL Don : Hello, Walt & Kate! ICS Becky : {{{{{{{{{{Larrypooskiepoo}}}}}}}}}}}}}** AFA Fixit : Hi Don. AFC Softy : Gee Becky... that's an awful common name for you. ;) ICS Becky : Hiya Don :) AFA Fixit : Busy night? AFL Don : :) ICS Becky : LOL Larry :) AFC Softy : Hi Marvin :) AFL Don : Busier than the last two weeks! Three accidental dropins tonight! AFC Marvin : Hello Larry AFL Don : Hi Marvin! AFC Marvin : And hello to the rest of the group. ICS Becky : HI there Marvin :) AFC Softy : Don... I am about to get my IIgs fixed and setup again. Now that I have a table to put the system on. AFL Don : Very good... AFC Marvin : If I remember correctly Becky is Kate. AFC Softy : All I gotta do now is find the peaking coils I bought for the monitor. AFL Don : You still haven't taken care of those????? ICS Becky : You got it Marvin :) In this screen name I go by my first name ;) AFC Softy : Need to do it soon before AOL chokes my IIgs off. AFC Softy : Don... not yet. AFL Don : I'd say it's fish or cut bait time... AFC Marvin : Kate from now on any strangers I don't recognize I am going to call Kate!! AFC Softy : the IIgs is still in its boxes here on the table. ICS Becky : LOL Marvin!! AFA Fixit : Hi Marvin AFC Softy : Yeah... I know... things are just only now settling down around here. AFC Marvin : Hello Walt. Are you and Kate in the same place tonight? AFC Softy : Kids started school last week, so I can have some time to myself during the day. ICS Becky : Larry... is the move complete??? AFC Softy : Still looking for a job tho. :( AFC Softy : Becky.. yuppers... been here for 4 week now. ICS Becky : Yes Marvin we are sitting next to each other in our office at home :) ICS Becky : Great Larry :) AFL Don : That explains the simultaneous logon! ICS Becky : Hehehehehe Don... :) AFC Marvin : I am impressed.... running two accounts at once. But the discount price must be good. ICS Becky : Marvin... it's called three phone lines and good prices on AOL ;) AFL Don : Two for the price of none... ICS Becky : We could get a phone call and not knock either one of us offline :D AFC Marvin : Oh, that's right you need three phone lines for your office. One for each of you to compute on and AFC Marvin : a spare to talk on. ICS Becky : LOL Don... Gee how'd you guess ;) Ernie1333 : Know anything about using NEC 3X cd rom with power mac AFC Softy : I don't... but Walt or Marvin might. Ernie1333 : yes AFC Marvin : Ernie I am using a NEC 2X CDROM on my Powerbook 170. Maybe I can help. AFA Fixit : I'll I know about using NEC CD ROM drives with a Mac is that you need "extra" driver software. Ernie1333 : Are there any problems AFL Don : ...no CD-Rom experience here, yet AFC Marvin : That's for sure Walt. When I received my CDROM drive the vendor forgot to put the driver software in the box. I had to call them and wait one more day for the driver software to arrive. But once I Ernie1333 : does it come with the hardware AFL Don : ...just a slight oversight! AFC Marvin : put the driver in it started working right away. Now my MS-Dos computer is another story. I still have not been able to make the CDROM work on my WinBook. I am beginning to think it never will work via the PCMCIA port. I may have an incompatibility that will result in my asking for a refund on the PCMCIA to SCSI adaptor. Ernie1333 : Is 3X worth the extra money? AFC Marvin : Ernie, most of the deals I have seen include the driver software you will need to make the drive work. AFC Marvin : I did have a bit of a problem getting the proper SCSI cable. The Mac dealer sold me one that would AFC Marvin : not work. I have a friend that had the correct cable so I finally took my friends cable to the dealer and said, "gimme one of these." It worked. AFC Softy : :) AFL Don : That beats a stock number! AFC Marvin : As I understand it the 3X is not worth the extra money at this time. But maybe in the future as more sophisticated CDROMs become available the 3X will be worth having in order to make some of the multimedia run at a reasonable speed. AFL Don : Yours is a 2X? AFC Marvin : Yes mine is a 2X. Ernie1333 : so 2X is good enough? AFC Softy : Depends on what do you want to use the CDRom for? AFC Marvin : So I am told Ernie. Maybe in the future I will wish I had a 3X or 4X but for now the 2X has been AFL Don : A 3X is only a 50% increase in speed over a 2X... AFC Marvin : fine. AFL Don : hello, Bob! AFC Softy : <-- is looking at getting the Apple CD 2x drive. AFC Softy : hi Bob :) AFL Don : Welcome to the Apple Hardware Forum Chat! AFL Don : first time with us? BOB2600 : Yes AFC Marvin : Hello Bob! AFL Don : Great! What computer do you use? AFC Softy : (for my PB *and* IIgs. :) AFA Fixit : All the comparisons I've seen of standard speed 2x, 3x and 4x CDROM drives indicated that because... Ernie1333 : What's a reasonable price for internal? AFC Marvin : Ernie there are basically two kinds of SCSI cables for the Powerbooks. One cable is a dark gray cable and its purpose is to permit your Powerbook to be used as a SCSI drive by another computer. There is AFA Fixit : almost all CD ROMs are optimized for standard speed, little real performance is seen with the BOB2600 : I may have gotten in the wrong forum so I will come back soon AFA Fixit : higher rotational speed drives. Until CD ROM publishers stop optimizing for the least common AFL Don : Welcome any time, Bob! AFA Fixit : denominator, you won't see much better performance from the faster drives. AFC Marvin : a light beige cable that connects the SCSI CDROM to the SCSI port on the Powerbook. At first the dealer sold me a cable that had a DB25 connector on the computer end. He also sold me an adaptor that adapted the db25 to the Powerbook SCSI connector. That combination did not work. I don't know what the SCSI connector looks like on your computer but maybe it is the same as mine. AFL Don : Sounds like it must be an interleave type situation... AFC Softy : Walt... is that a lot like the old UniDisk 4:1 interleave vs. the Apple 3.5 2:1 situation? AFA Fixit : I expect that soon you'll see publishers optimizing for performance on 2x drives as they are now the current low end of the business. Ernie1333 : Marvin , I don't have a PowerBook but a PowerMac AFA Fixit : No specifics were provided, but that could well be it. Ernie1333 : thanks guys :) gotta go AFL Don : Good to have you with us, Ernie... Good luck, let us know how you make out... Ernie1333 : sure thing AFC Marvin : Bye AFC Marvin : Ernie AFC Softy : Oh.. I just remembered seeing a message on the Internet a while back about someone who built an AFC Softy : adapter for the IIgs allowing you to hook up an NEC 3f monitor to it. AFC Softy : Never did find any more stuff about it. AFC Softy : (I think it was a 3f... not real sure which model in the 3 series it is.) AFC Softy : Well... the idea seemed plausible. AFL Don : If true, that'd be some piece of news... AFL Don : JP was trying to chase down some body who'd do that, for quite a while.. AFC Softy : From what I could make of it, this was someone's homebrew job. AFC Softy : No telling what it looks like. ;) AFC Marvin : I sure have been fortunate. I think it was 1988 when I bought my IIGS new. It is still working and AFC Softy : (or if it ever fried motherboards. ;) AFC Marvin : has not had a single hardware failure. I did put in a heavy-duty supply because of all the cards I loaded the IIGS up with. I am still running on the original battery too. My wife is using the II right now so I know it still works. AFC Softy : Marvin... mine's an original '86 Woz Box, and it worked flawlessly until this past year. AFC Softy : and the only real problems with it are peripheral related. AFL Don : I swapped out my 2GS motherboard when my original proved to be too noisy for use with a RamKeeper... Traded with a friend who had no expansion plans... AFC Marvin : Larry, I presume you mean it is still working without problem and you took it out of service to AFC Marvin : move it? AFL Don : plans... AFC Softy : No... I started having a lot of intermittent problems all at once with about a year ago. AFC Softy : The first problem was the DataLink modem suffering heat problems. AFC Marvin : Sorry to hear about that. Any idea what has been causing the intermittent problems? AFC Softy : Then the monitor blew AFC Softy : (Don knows all about that one. ;) AFL Don : That's common with the DataLink... AFL Don : Right, Larry! AFC Marvin : Is the monitor problem the peaking coil problem? AFC Softy : Yep... AFC Marvin : Well that's an easy fix now that Don has figured it out for us. AFC Softy : Even had the video board replaced a year ago (at $200). It still blew right before I moved. AFC Softy : (almost bet they put in a used video board.) AFL Don : ...only recently that I stopped getting mail from satisfied users of the peaking-coil fix! AFL Don : You can almost make book on it... AFC Softy : Anyway... the past few months the IIgs started suffering from random crashes and booting problems. AFC Marvin : I wonder if the booting and crashing problems could be the result of an aging power supply? AFC Softy : Cleaning most of the slot contacts and SCSI contacts usually fixed it for a while. But they would still return. AFC Softy : That's my theory Marvin... It still has the original supply in it. AFL Don : ...or a bad ps connector connection. AFC Marvin : It probably would not take much ripple in the power supply output to make a IIGS act flaky. AFL Don : What happens if you reduce the load on the supply? Still flaky? AFC Marvin : Oh, the connector is another possibility that should be checked first. AFC Softy : Don... I never tried it with fewer boards in it. AFL Don : First thing to do... AFC Softy : (throw out the DataLink.. ;) AFC Marvin : Might be that exercising all those other connectors moved the power supply connector a little and made it work of for a while. Might be good to exercise the power supply connector. AFL Don : If you're on the edge of overload, any momentary increase in load will momentarily stall the supply, putting a glitch on the buses... AFC Softy : Could be... :) AFL Don : the DataLink is an important part of the load. AFC Softy : Right... that's my thought. The p/s barely has enough output anymore to run what's in the box. AFL Don : Betcha that's your problem... Next case? AFC Softy : Marvin... I did remove and reseat it once. That seemed to clear up problems for the longest time. AFC Softy : (the p/s connector that is) AFL Don : Probably anything that helped to raise the loaded bus voltage supported the computer during power-supply excursions... Might not be the supply, but a card that's drawing more power now than it did when new for some reason... AFC Marvin : Sounds like it needs to be treated with Tweek, also known as Stabilant 22 or 22A. The A version is AFC Marvin : diluted with alcohol. AFL Don : Tweek is great.. AFC Softy : Yeah... I've been trying to locate some. There are a couple of big electronics stores here in EC. AFC Softy : I need to ask around and see if I can locate some. AFC Softy : Just been so busy with moving and finding a new job. :/ AFL Don : You can buy it in better stereo stores, but be prepared to pay about %20 for a bottle you can hide AFL Don : with your thumb... AFL Don : ...but that's enough! AFL Don : AFK... AFC Softy : Yeah... I knew it was expensive. AFC Marvin : Or you can order it from the manufacturer, PW Electro Chemical Ltd, at 905-508-7500. AFA Fixit : Well folks, I'm off to bed. AFC Marvin : Don't blame you Walt. It's late back there where you are. AFC Softy : All right Walt... g'nite AFC Marvin : Goodnight Walt. AFC Softy : I was watching the 49ers earlier... but the kids took over the TV when I came in here. :) AFL Don : bak AFA Fixit : Night AFL Don : Nite Walt, thanks.. AFC Softy : I have that same dilemma Ernie had... what CDRom drive to buy. AFC Softy : I'm pretty much sold on the Apple CDRom drive. AFL Don : Your deal was hard to beat... AFL Don : Marvin's deal, that is... AFC Softy : I haven't ruled out the NECs tho. AFC Marvin : Larry, mine cost $149 and included several CDs including the Grolier encyclopedia. AFC Softy : you can get a 1X speed drive these days for $99. AFC Softy : Wow.. that is a good deal. AFC Marvin : Yes, I saw the $99 dollar deal but decided to go for the 2X at $149. AFC Softy : I've been mulling over Apple's new Quadra 630 too. :) AFL Don : ...it's hard to keep up. AFC Softy : The 630 actually looks like a refinement of their MacTV project. AFC Marvin : My plan now is to wait for the next generation of the PowerMacs which will all have A/V capability AFC Softy : I'm holding out for those too... AFC Marvin : I am told. Should be out around March or April of 1995. AFC Marvin : I think they all will have built in CDRom. AFC Softy : NuBus is dead at Apple... those are supposed to have PCI. AFC Softy : Apple has even gone to IDE drives now. AFC Softy : For the internal drive anyway. AFC Softy : Only way to keep the system price down I suppose. AFL Don : Well, guys, I'm getting hungry here, gotta fix me some dinner... AFL Don : Been taking an antibiotic that turns off my appetite 'til later in the evening, now I'm hungry... AFC Softy : Okay Don... take it easy. :) AFC Softy : 'nite AFC Marvin : Goodnight Larry! AFC Marvin : Ok. 73 for now and C U online and on the air Saturday after next. AFL Don : :) CUL AFC Marvin : GNI 9/5/94 8:42:35 PM Closing Log file.