6/13/94 6:26:30 PM Opening ÒChat Log 6/13/94Ó for recording.

AFL Don    : Hello, Paul, CGB!
CGB78433   : hi!AFA Fixit  : Hi folks!
AFL Don    : Hello, Walt!
PaulBZ     : Don, maybe you can answer this one?
AFL Don    : I'll try, Paul...
PaulBZ     : I need a driver for an HP PaintWriter or the 
             printer codes to use it with
PaulBZ     : AW4
PaulBZ     : The regular HP printer codes are not 
             correct.
AFL Don    : AppleWorks 4.0 doesn't use drivers...  No P8 
             programs do...
PaulBZ     : Well where can I find the printer codes for 
             that printer?
AFL Don    : What does the manual say?  I entered all the 
             codes from the HP manual for my DeskJet, 
             they work... Do you have HP's dox on the printer?
JAX AMX 1  : Can anyone tell me how to use an Apple Image 
             Writer II with a IBM clone
AFL Don    : JAX, I don't have (nor do I want) any 
             experience with a PC, but maybe someone else 
             knows...
AFA Fixit  : JAX, you need to configure your software to 
             print to one of the Com Ports using a CItoh 
             8510?
AFA Fixit  : Might try PC Hardware.
AFL Don    : Big problem is, the way HP prints out the 
             codes in their manual, you have to be 
             clairvoyant to figure out what to type in..  
PaulBZ     : Yes but since it was made specifically for a 
             MAC they assume you are very stupid and therefore
             don't provide the codes.
AFL Don    : Hmmmm.  That's strange, since they've 
             thoroughly documented the DeskJet 500...
             I'll bet that a call to HP's hotline would 
             solve the problem. 
SPEEDLIMIT : Hi All :)
AFL Don    : Hello, Marvin!
PaulBZ     : I have a manual for the Laser Jet IIP and 
             that has all the codes
SPEEDLIMIT : How ya been doing Don :)
SPEEDLIMIT : hey Fixit :)
PaulBZ     : The Hotline is $25 a shot.
AFL Don    : Hello, Bob!  Good to see you again..
Ophtho Bob : Hello All.
SPEEDLIMIT : Hey Hey Hey Softy  :)
AFA Fixit  : Hi Speed
AFC Softy  : Hi Don... Walt.  :)
AFL Don    : HP?  Nah...  My son called HP about a 
             driver problem a couple of weeks ago, no 
             charge except for long distance...  They were very 
             helpful, solved his problem.
SPEEDLIMIT : HiYa Bob :)  LTNS
AFC Softy  : Hi Speedy :)
Ophtho Bob : Yea!! It's good to be around again.
AFL Don    : Hello, George!  Welcome to the Apple 
             Hardware Forum chat!
AFL Don    : Hi Larry!
AFA Fixit  : Hello Larry
Ophtho Bob : Walt, read your note on Vitesse Quickie 
             update and I agree with you 100000%.
SPEEDLIMIT : Walt, I still have the samples I never sent. 
             The Guy sold them so I didn't see the reason 
             to send
SPEEDLIMIT : them :/ arg.  
Ophtho Bob : In fact I just placed my order.
AFL Don    : Well said, Walt!  Vitesse has always given us 
             more than our money's worth with their 
             products...
AFA Fixit  : afk
AFC Softy  : well Don, I finally got some 22-microHenry 
             coils to fix the monitor with.  Now all I 
             need is the time.
AFC Softy  : :)
AFL Don    : Hello, Kate...
TallStuff  : Hiya Don :)
AFL Don    : About 10 minutes is all it takes, Larry...
AFC Softy  : {{Becky}}
TallStuff  : {{{Larry}}}
AFL Don    : What and where on the coils?  How much?
TallStuff  : I assume that Walt just went afk??
AFC Softy  : Don... these were regular coils.. not the 
             ones in the board.  But they should work no?
AFC Softy  : They ran me $2.11 each.
AFL Don    : He didn't say anything, Kate, just stopped 
             "talking"...
Ophtho Bob : Where did you buy them Larry?
AFC Softy  : Bob... I got them from an electronics store 
             in San Luis Obispo.
TallStuff  : Ah ok well then he's afk... talking to a 
             plumber :)
AFC Softy  : Whoops... wrong button.  <darn Mac software. 
             ;)>
AFL Don    : Yes, they should work fine...   I had to use 
             slug-tuned rf coils for one of the repairs I 
             did...
AFC Softy  : These things look like a small resistor with 
             a tiny wire coiled around the middle.
Ophtho Bob : I guess that Radio Shack should have them if 
             I ever need them.
AFL Don    : Bet the guy in the store was surprised to 
             move 'em, after all this time..
AFL Don    : Surprisingly, Radio Shack doesn't.  They 
             sell a polypack of inductors, but none with 
             the right value..
AFC Softy  : Not really... he found them in about 15 
             seconds.
AFL Don    : That's amazing, Larry, most counter guys 
             play dumb when you ask 'em.  Claim never to 
             have heard of 'em
SPEEDLIMIT : I got a great deal the other day :)  My 
             DJ-500 quit on me and I found a guy in town 
             that had the guts
SPEEDLIMIT : not the Box and he put a new one in for me 
             at $80 bucks :)
AFL Don    : First time I've ever heard of a DJ500 giving 
             up...
SPEEDLIMIT : Don... LOL , Well I'm pretty sure that I had 
             at least 40,000 out of it.
SPEEDLIMIT : basically I have a new DJ since the internal 
             is really one piece unit :)
AFL Don    : Great, Marvin...  good for another 40,000.  
             The design-center target was 50,000 for the 
             DJ...
AFC Softy  : I told him what I needed, and he went right 
             to them.
AFL Don    : You got your money's worth!
SPEEDLIMIT : I think so, but as I recall the Cards back 
             then said that they were only good for 
             around 30,000 I think
AFL Don    : (That's because they don't want to spend 
             time looking for something that cheap...)
SPEEDLIMIT : I have a Question about monitors ???
AFL Don    : What were the symptoms when you DJ died, 
             Marvin?
Ophtho Bob : What would I ask for if I went into an 
             electronics store Larry?
AFC Softy  : well I asked for a "22-uh peaking coil", 
             explained what they looked like (he knew 
             already), and then he went right to the drawer
             where they had them.
AFL Don    : Three 22-microHenry peaking coils, Bob...
SPEEDLIMIT : Do you think that a monitor would change 
             colors by interference with say aircraft or 
             radio emissions 
AFL Don    : Not likely, Marvin...    Interference would 
             show as herringbone, or rolling, something 
             like that...
SPEEDLIMIT : Herringbone ???
AFL Don    : Herringbone is the tv name for a 
             beat-frequency interference that puts a 
             pattern on the screen...
Ophtho Bob : Thanks guys.
AFL Don    : Actually, the 2GS RGB monitor is fairly 
             immune to interference, I use mine alongside 
             my ham transmitter, no noticeable affect...
SPEEDLIMIT : Actually it's not my GS that's the problem, 
             but it is an Apple Monitor. A rather NEW one
             at that :>
AFA Fixit  : 7740
AFL Don    : Same thing for the Apple monitor, the NTSC 
             one.  You'd see lines, rolling, etc...  Any 
             rfi problems would most likely cause glitches in 
             the computer before they'd hit the monitor. 
              
SPEEDLIMIT : Apple Color Plus 14 inch... is what I have
AFL Don    : What makes you think it's rfi causing the 
             problem?
SPEEDLIMIT : Once in a while the colors kind of change a 
             little or they become less Bright.
SPEEDLIMIT : I called the people that I bought it from 
             and they said that they had a number of problems
             and what I said supposedly made them feel it was
             interference since I live near the airport and
             the planes fly really low near us taking off or
             landing.
AFL Don    : Check the cable plugs first...  Give it a 
             subtle rap with your hand to see if it's a 
             mechanical intermittent...  Lotsa things can happen 
             internally to cause the problem.
AFL Don    : There probably isn't enough signal on the ground
             from a plane in flight.  They're not running a lot 
             of power, and they're fairly far from you, even
             though it seems like they're close.
AFC Softy  : How low, Speedy??  Could be they're using 
             your IIgs as an ILS homing beacon.  ;)
AFL Don    : Apple-2e's are pretty well shielded, and 
             that keep signals out as well as 
             interference in...
SPEEDLIMIT : Well I haven't measure, but I wouldn't be 
             surprised if they aren't about 200 foot up 
             or so. We are about 2 blocks away though.
AFC Softy  : or IIe... ;)
AFL Don    : Well, maybe...  But I can't imagine 'em 
             being that low over housing...
SPEEDLIMIT : The funny thing is that this monitor sits 
             about 2 feet from the IIGS monitor and it 
             doesn't have any problems though.
AFC Softy  : (seriously... in Reno... one of the ILS 
             towers is mounted on top of the New Reno 
             Hilton tower.)
AFL Don    : If you see the problem only when a plane is 
             directly overhead, maybe there's a 
             connection.
SPEEDLIMIT : It's pretty low... Don.  
AFL Don    : I really do doubt it, though...  
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- feels like Wayne's World every time they 
             fly over ;)
AFC Softy  : (Incoming flights actually line up with the 
             Hilton, then "slide" over to line up on the 
             runway.)
AFL Don    : Partly because it just doesn't sound like 
             the kind of trouble rfi introduces...
SPEEDLIMIT : Thanks :) thought I'd ask. 
AFC Softy  : <-- has been on the roof to see that ILS 
             transmitter  :)
SPEEDLIMIT : I didn't know you lived in Reno... Softy
AFL Don    : I don't think they put out a lot of power, 
             either...
AFL Don    : Doesn't take much power at those 
             frequencies, communicating line of sight...
AFC Softy  : I did for 4 years.... from '85 to '89.
Ophtho Bob : Gotta run, Night All 
             ------------------------------------>  
             Gone>>>>>>>>>
AFL Don    : Hughes Air West had a transmitter in my 
             office at the college for several years, 
             running 300 Watts.  No problem with the computer, 
             although any time I did an audiotape 
             recording I had glitches on the tape...
AFC Softy  : What was the transmitter for?
AFL Don    : Hughes used it to communicate with planes on 
             the ground at SFO, which was shielded from 
             their corporate offices.  I can see SFO from my 
             office at the college...
AFC Softy  : Oh.... that makes sense.  :)
AFC Softy  : (I worked at the Hilton... which was the 
             MGM Grand and Bally's back then
AFL Don    : By Bob!  Hurry back..
AFC Softy  : It ran by Bob?  ;)
AFL Don    : Bye Bob, I mean!
SPEEDLIMIT : brb
AFC Softy  : :
AFL Don    : Hello, Robert...
TallStuff  : I miss SF :(
Robert C11 : hello
AFL Don    : Welcome to the Apple Hardware Forum chat!
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- had the Texas Bash here in Austin a 
             couple days ago :)
TallStuff  : And I moved out there to live with him 
             before Dupont transferred him out here :)
AFL Don    : I visited Philadelphia in 1960...  It was 
             closed. 
SPEEDLIMIT : Actually, last night was the first night I 
             had more than 2 hours sleep ;)
AFL Don    : That'll catch up with you, Marvin!
TallStuff  : LOL SpeedLimit!! :D I know the feeling ;D
SPEEDLIMIT : Next year the Bash is going to be Houston, 
             so check the que about May or so :)
SPEEDLIMIT : Tall.. there were close to 100 folks down 
             here. From NY to CA  :)
AFL Don    : What is the Texas Bash????
AFC Softy  : <-- misses TS and Fixit  :(
SPEEDLIMIT : Don... you've heard of the Bashes that AOL 
             members have from time to time. 
AFL Don    : Oh, yeah...  Forgot about those...
SPEEDLIMIT : Most of them were started by the Guides 
             originally. Like the Texas Bash for instance.
AFL Don    : Gotcha
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- thought I was at a convention ;) 
SPEEDLIMIT : I think we all Toss'ed each other off  ;) 
             teehee
AFC Softy  : the first one I went to was the RockFest 
             '90... which replaced the cancelled 
             AppleFest SF that year
AFL Don    : I 's'pose...
AFC Softy  : 15 people sleeping in a one bedroom 
             apartment. ;) 
SPEEDLIMIT : <---  :::sniffle::: Never made it to any 
             Apple or other fest :(
AFC Softy  : (with ONE bathroom :D)
AFL Don    : I miss the AppleFests...  They were fun..
SPEEDLIMIT : I did have some folks who sent me all kinds 
             of pins though. I still have most of them.
AFL Don    : There'll probably never be experiences again 
             like those of the early Apple-2 days...
AFL Don    : Glad I was there...
SPEEDLIMIT : :::sniffle:::
AFC Softy  : Speedy... how's the font business going 
             lately?
SPEEDLIMIT : Softy... I
SPEEDLIMIT : 'Oops
SPEEDLIMIT : Softy... I'm starting to see if I can do 
             some advertisement for them again
SPEEDLIMIT : I'm still trying to get back the money which 
             I invested at the moment
SPEEDLIMIT : On the Apple II side I just don't know what 
             to do though
SPEEDLIMIT : TMS is gone... so is Resource, sort of
SPEEDLIMIT : WestCode started to sell it, but decided 
             that they weren't getting enough
SPEEDLIMIT : Back out of the direct mail even to support 
             their stuff.
SPEEDLIMIT : It's a mess out there :(
AFL Don    : Look on the bright side, there are other 
             players carrying on in the grand 
             tradition...  Quality, etc.
AFC Marvin : Good evening everyone.
SPEEDLIMIT : HiYa Marvin :)
AFC Marvin : Still at work.  Been too busy to go home 
             this evening.
SPEEDLIMIT : Anyone familiar with Nuts and Volts 
AFL Don    : Hello, Marvin!
SPEEDLIMIT : It's a paper of sorts for mostly Electronic 
             Nuts. 
SPEEDLIMIT : I thought about advertising in it for the 
             Apple II, Mac and DOS stuff and seeing if 
             any of the other
SPEEDLIMIT : companies might want to give it a try. In 
             the classifieds they have some Apple II 
             activity.
AFL Don    : Most electronics types I know think the only 
             computers are PCs..  There are exceptions, 
             but not
AFL Don    : many...
AFC Softy  : (think it was an ADV chat.:)
SPEEDLIMIT : I need to talk to him, just haven't touched 
             base when he's home I guess.
AFA Fixit  : I used to pick up Nuts & Volts all the time.
AFL Don    : I think I remember it, it was mostly a 
             catalog unless memory fails me...
SPEEDLIMIT : Fixit... what do you think. It's about 300 
             bucks for a 1/6th of a page. 
AFA Fixit  : I never bought anything out of it.
SPEEDLIMIT : I was thinking of advertising the Fonts and 
             maybe some other Apple II and Various other 
             MAC/DOS type
SPEEDLIMIT : stuff that some of the folks in business 
             that I know have.
SPEEDLIMIT : IC
AFC Softy  : <-- will be out of work in 18 more days.  :)
SPEEDLIMIT : vacation
AFC Softy  : nope... self-induced unemployment  :)
SPEEDLIMIT : when did you win the Lotto... Softy  ;)
AFC Softy  : I didn't... I'm moving to San Diego.  :)
AFC Softy  : My girlfriend refuses to move up here.  :)
SPEEDLIMIT : LOL
AFC Softy  : After two years of trying... I gave in.  :D
AFC Marvin : Someone here at work gave me an edition of 
             Nuts and Volts and it was interesting to 
             read.  It might be
AFC Marvin : a good place to advertise.
SPEEDLIMIT : Walt... can you give me the SRAM part number 
             that will make my Zip IIGS a 64k ???
AFL Don    : San Diego, huh?  Be really different for 
             you!
SPEEDLIMIT : Marvin... well that's what I was thinking. 
             Believe me after the Cost of Mac Zone and 
             TigerSoftware
SPEEDLIMIT : 300 dollars is Cheap.
AFC Softy  : One of these days I want to take mine to 
             32K.  only problem may be I have the wide 
             sockets on the 
AFC Softy  : Zip.
SPEEDLIMIT : I think I do too.  Not sure. I have (had not 
             sure) a bunch of 8k srams
AFC Softy  : It's an 8-MHz/16K model... just figured 
             making it an 8/32 would scoot things along a 
             little better.
SPEEDLIMIT : I'd rather just jump up to 64k instead, but 
             I can never what the real part no. is.
AFC Softy  : I remember someone (maybe John P.) replaced 
             the socket on his with ones that could 
             accept both widths.
AFA Fixit  : Just a second, I was on the phone with the 
             plumber
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- still not completely together from the 
             long weekend... sorry if I don't make sense 
             at times ;)
AFC Softy  : the sockets that is...
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- just can't see spending $100 for the 
             parts at ZipIt
AFC Softy  : Plumber??  Walt... you aren't trying to 
             network the  plumbing into the computers are 
             you?  :)
AFA Fixit  : Let's see. 718256s12TP is the one part 
             number I've got here.
SPEEDLIMIT : LOL
AFC Softy  : (wouldn't surprise me if he was.. :)
AFA Fixit  : Also have LH52256L-70 (Sharp) 
SPEEDLIMIT : Walt... is the 12TP meaning Speed... I think 
             that's too slow
AFA Fixit  : No, getting my boiler replaced
AFA Fixit  : 12ns too slow?
AFC Softy  : Ahh... gotta have a boiler.  :)
AFA Fixit  : What speed is the card?
SPEEDLIMIT : 120 I meant
AFL Don    : Those oughta be fast enough for 8 MHz!
AFA Fixit  : 120 would be too slow
SPEEDLIMIT : 12 would be FAST  ;)
AFA Fixit  : When you get into static RAM, you're usually 
             looking at 25 = 25 ns not 250ns
SPEEDLIMIT : I think they once said that 60 or 70s were 
             the speed to use.
SPEEDLIMIT : I don't know that 12 would take advantage of 
             any additional speed... but I'm not sure 
             really
AFA Fixit  : I've seen some people talking about 25, 30 
             and 40-ns parts for the faster ZIPs
SPEEDLIMIT : Well that makes sense, but for an 8Mhz I 
             don't know 
SPEEDLIMIT : that it would do anything for it.
AFL Don    : I think it's like the speed rating of 
             ordinary DRAM...  chips have to be fast 
             enough to keep up,
AFL Don    : but if they're faster than needed, it 
             doesn't help.
SPEEDLIMIT : Don, do you have the Original or did you get 
             the upgrade back when they first came out 
             ???
AFL Don    : I still have the original...  Didn't wanta 
             pop for the extra bux to get the upgrades...
SPEEDLIMIT : I had the original, but I changed it when I 
             got the RamFAST. The older one just wouldn't 
             work with the 
SPEEDLIMIT : RamFAST back then.
AFL Don    : I well remember all the problems that were 
             common then...
SPEEDLIMIT : It had the smaller SRam chips as I Recall, 
             the one I have now looks like a E-Prom Chip 
             in size.
SPEEDLIMIT : Walt.. that sharp number is that for a Small 
             Chip or the larger one, like an E-Prom size 
             ???
AFA Fixit  : That would be a different chip and harder to 
             get. 
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- needs the Larger Chip me thinks.
AFA Fixit  : The Smaller ones, I believe. You can change 
             the sockets on most Zips
SPEEDLIMIT : by getting one of them Adjustable socks or 
             by Soldering.
SPEEDLIMIT : I don't want to solder :> arg
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- can barely tie a Knot  ;) 
AFL Don    : Sounds like a lot of trouble for just the 
             speed that increasing cache'll give you...
AFL Don    : Probably get better return from a speed 
             upgrade, I'd imagine.  
SPEEDLIMIT : Think so ?  I was told that it would 
             increase it about 15 to 20 percent.
SPEEDLIMIT : Or so I was told anyway.
AFL Don    : 15 to 20 percent speed increase is going to 
             be almost unnoticeable in practice, I 
             think...
SPEEDLIMIT : yeah, but they want too darn much money for 
             that :/ arg
SPEEDLIMIT : They wanted $250 bucks for a 10 MHz back 
             last Christmas
SPEEDLIMIT : I just don't have it at the moment and I 
             kind of wanted to be nice to my GS ;)
AFL Don    : Why don't you just blow the dust out of it, 
             say nice things to it?
SPEEDLIMIT : LOL
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- use it every day
SPEEDLIMIT : I'll tell you a problem though which I  
             have.
AFL Don    : Same here...
SPEEDLIMIT : I have the Mac VX that is next to it and 
             only room enough to place the keyboards one 
             in front of the 
SPEEDLIMIT : other.  Boy do I screw up a lot cause I 
             never know which one that I'm typing on  ;)
AFL Don    : ReHi, Marvin...
SPEEDLIMIT : re's Marvin :)
AFC Marvin : ReHi Don et al.
AFC Marvin : I had to drop off to send an urgent fax with 
             this computer to another radio station with 
             which we share several remote pickup frequencies.  I 
             had to let them know of plans we have for 
             tomorrow.
AFL Don    : Be embarrassing if KFI and KNX QRM'ed each 
             other! 
AFC Marvin : We have already done that and I don't want 
             to be embarrassed again.
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- thinking about placing my Amiga next to 
             them all. 
SPEEDLIMIT : My son sold me his  ;) Amiga.
SPEEDLIMIT : Walt.. do you think that being in the middle
             of 3 monitors each about 2 ft away will burn 
             me with 
AFA Fixit  : Hi Marvin
SPEEDLIMIT : Radiation ;) teehee
AFC Marvin : Hi Walt.
AFA Fixit  : Burn the hair off your head!
AFC Marvin : SPEED it will give you that warm fuzzy 
             feeling.
SPEEDLIMIT : LOL
AFA Fixit  : ;)
AFA Fixit  : What kind of monitors?
AFL Don    : Hardly, SpeedMarvin...  Might degrade your 
             thought processes, depending upon what's 
             displayed...
SPEEDLIMIT : ROTFL.. Don  ;)
AFA Fixit  : Old ones are a problem, the newer ones 
             aren't that bad.
SPEEDLIMIT : the Apple's IIGS and Mac and the Commodore 
             for the Amiga
AFA Fixit  : All high emission monitors.
AFA Fixit  : The Mac may not be so bad.
SPEEDLIMIT : You have me.. Walt. I wouldn't know one from 
             the other personally
SPEEDLIMIT : but I have notice that my hair is curling 
             lately ;)
AFL Don    : There's no responsible agreement on whether 
             the ELF emissions from a monitor are 
             significant...
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- old hippy... was fried years ago  ;) 
             teeehee 
AFL Don    : Data are hard to come by, any real effects 
             are buried in noise from other variables...
             biggest hazard is to your wallet...  Paying 
             the power bill, but even that's not too 
             expensive...
SPEEDLIMIT : I don't think that's significant, really.. 
             Not the power... less we're talking about 
             the single outlet that I use to power them all
             ;) LOL
AFA Fixit  : Single 20-amp circuit?
AFA Fixit  : Should be no real hazard at a two-foot 
             distance.
AFL Don    : The 2GS RGB monitor requires about 65 Watts 
             of power.  Hardly a problem...
SPEEDLIMIT : Kind of kidding, but I don't know really 
             what they're rated out.. the outlets I mean
AFA Fixit  : Average home outlet has a 15 Amp rating.
AFL Don    : 20 Amps in new construction is typical, 
             older homes are often 15 Amp per circuit.
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- I keep moving so by the time I start to 
             think about those things I have to move 
             again anyway.
AFL Don    : You could probably turn on all the computer 
             equipment, draw less current than on RCA 
             CTC6A TV
AFL Don    : set of a few years ago...
AFL Don    : (than one)
SPEEDLIMIT : really !
AFA Fixit  : I think I still have an RCA CTC6A. 
AFL Don    : The first color-tv sets drew almost 500 W!
SPEEDLIMIT : whoa
AFA Fixit  : Could cook with that!
AFL Don    : That was a good set...  I had one for years, 
             probably still would have it, but the module 
             sockets
SPEEDLIMIT : So that's how they came up with T.V. Dinners 
              ;) LOL
AFL Don    : all went bad, RCA stopped supporting it with 
             new parts..
AFA Fixit  : Was that the ColorTrack 100?
AFL Don    : HO HO, SpeedMarvin!
SPEEDLIMIT : Don... just call me Speed :)  ;)
AFL Don    : The CTC6a was the very-first all solid state 
             tv set RCA put out... (Except for the CRT, 
             of course...)
AFL Don    : Ok, Speed!
AFA Fixit  : Have a 12 year old one of those. Works like 
             new.
AFA Fixit  : The CRT seems to be one of the last tubes to 
             go the wayside.
AFL Don    : Walt, did you have any luck with your 
             mother's VCR?
AFA Fixit  : Yep, thanks! It was the belt. Replaced it 
             with a rubber band.
AFC Softy  : ...
AFC Softy  : Ahh... still here....
SPEEDLIMIT : Cool Walt :)
AFC Softy  : (I was buried in the Internet gateway.... 
             just got thrown out. :)
AFL Don    : Great!  Although an ordinary rubber band'll 
             be a temporary fix...  first smoggy day, 
             it'll break...
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- wondering if that will work with my 
             LUXMAN Cassette Deck 
AFA Fixit  : It was great. Explained the symptoms to Don. 
             He says "It sounds like a belt". I open the 
             case and there's a broken belt.
AFC Marvin : I seem to recall my old all tube RCA as a 
             CTC11 but that does not seem right if a 
             CTC6a was solid 
AFL Don    : I found out that there are universal belts 
             available under the SK name...
AFC Marvin : state.  Or am I remembering that old model 
             number incorrectly?  I thought it was a 
             CTC11.
AFC Softy  : I have to get my Teac cassette deck fixed 
             some day.
AFL Don    : Yes, Marvin you're right...  The CTC6a was 
             the first set I had, with the round CRT... 
             The solid-state job I had was a CTC46a...
AFC Marvin : What's the problem with the Teac Softy?
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- I've noticed that I either fix things 
             or I make them totally unfixable ever again 
             :/ arg
AFC Softy  : (it's an A360S)
AFC Softy  : Marvin... it just won't move the tape.
AFL Don    : Speed, you know the motto, "If it ain't 
             broke, keep fixin' it 'til it is!"
SPEEDLIMIT : I'd love to Fix that LUXMAN though :)  If I 
             could 
SPEEDLIMIT : ROTFL.. Don  :p :P  ;)
AFC Softy  : It's 18 years old... all original parts. :)
AFA Fixit  : Smog's not a big problem in Smyrna and I can 
             just put another rubber band in for 6 
             months.
AFC Marvin : We had a Teac here at work that would not 
             move the tape so we replaced the drive motor 
             and it is as good as new again.
AFL Don    : It's a belt, Larry...  I just got a UPS 
             package with new belts for my Sony Cassette 
             recorder today!
AFC Marvin : In our case the motor died from 24 hour a 
             day use.
AFL Don    : Sounds good to me, Walt...  You can be a 
             hero every six months!
AFC Softy  : the drive works... but it can't turn the 
             tape spools under load.
SPEEDLIMIT : Wish I had a HERO near by that I could 
             trust.
AFC Softy  : I figure the belts have hardened.
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- had some terrible experiences with 
             repairman when I was a kid.
AFA Fixit  : Well, I did hand the old belt to my mother 
             and told her to get a new one from the shop 
             around the corner....
AFL Don    : I did have a different failure in my Sony 
             reel-to-reel.  The flywheel started slipping 
             on the capstan shaft...
AFL Don    : New belts will improve performance, 
             usually...
SPEEDLIMIT : Might as well say what the problem is  ;)
AFL Don    : Last belt failure, I patched it with Krazy 
             Glue, it held for about 3 months...
SPEEDLIMIT : My Luxman will start to slow down 'til it 
             stops after I start to use it. 
AFC Marvin : Softy... sometimes the drive shaft that 
             drives the tape becomes so smooth and the 
             puck wheel so hard 
AFC Marvin : that it cannot pull the tape very well.
SPEEDLIMIT : It's probalby the Motor, but I did consider 
             the Belt since it could be that it's 
             stretched I thought
SPEEDLIMIT : after all these years.
AFL Don    : Hello, Carroll!  Welcome to the Apple 
             Hardware Forum Chat!
AFA Fixit  : Should have used a rubber band, Don.
ECarroll   : Hello
SPEEDLIMIT : HiYa Carroll
AFC Marvin : Hello Carroll
AFL Don    : All my rubber bands come off the SF 
             Chronicle, they're in bad shape when I get 
             'em!
ECarroll   : Hello all
AFL Don    : First time with us Carroll?  What computer 
             do you use?
AFA Fixit  : You can get a whole box of them for a 
             dollar.
AFL Don    : <--tightwad
ECarroll   : IIGs
AFL Don    : Very good!  You're in good company!
AFC Marvin : IIGS here too.
AFL Don    : Any problems we can help you with?
AFA Fixit  : Ah, but that's 100 temporary belts for the 
             price of half a tube of super glue.
SPEEDLIMIT : IIGS here :)
ECarroll   : I also run a Apple II user Group call ACES
AFL Don    : Right!  But I need the superglue to fix 
             paper cuts etc., so had it anyway...
AFL Don    : Very good, Carroll!
ECarroll   : Yea a Printer Problem
AFL Don    : We'll do our best to help...
AFA Fixit  : What printer?
AFL Don    : Give us the details!
ECarroll   : ImageWriter II
AFL Don    : Got one, too...
AFA Fixit  : An ornery beast that.
AFA Fixit  : What's it's problem?
SPEEDLIMIT : My dog used mine for water cup a couple 
             years ago :( arg  Wish I had one though ;)
ECarroll   : It cut off the top of the Text
AFL Don    : On all pages?  Or just the first page of 
             several? 
ECarroll   : I have check the ribbon
AFL Don    : Have you cleaned off the schmutz from the 
             slide rail recently?
ECarroll   : On all pages
AFA Fixit  : The paper thickness letter lever can muss 
             you up. 
ECarroll   : It's all the way up
AFL Don    : Hmmm.  Also, make sure that the feed stack is 
             located high up.  Pulling up paper from the 
             floor
AFA Fixit  : Then I'd say you have a sticky pin in the 
             head.
AFL Don    : is the basis for a lot of IW2 problems..
AFL Don    : I think you're probably right, Walt...
ECarroll   : Yeas the Slide rail is clean
SPEEDLIMIT : that's what I thought too first
AFL Don    : Does the text look ok on the rest of the 
             page?
ECarroll   : The printer head is fine
AFL Don    : What happens if you put it into the 
             friction-feed mode for a single page...  
             Still have the problem?
ECarroll   : yea
AFL Don    : First thing I'd do, is put in a different 
             ribbon, even if the one you're using looks 
             good.
SPEEDLIMIT : Got a Question... Carroll
ECarroll   : I think its the logic board problem
AFL Don    : How about the little zizz wheel intended for 
             use in adjusting registration of color 
             ribbons.
AFA Fixit  : I take it that the self test looks ok?
AFL Don    : Have you exercised it?
SPEEDLIMIT : Can you see the Dots that are being printed 
             if the Printing were actually happening but 
             the INK isn't
SPEEDLIMIT : going on ???
ECarroll   : No the selftest gets cut off at the top 
             just like it does on line
AFA Fixit  : And you say the print head is ok? You tried 
             another?
AFL Don    : Ok, that rules out the computer and 
             associated software...
AFL Don    : Have you changed any of the dipswitch 
             settings?
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- still sounds like some of the pins are 
             sticking to me.
AFL Don    : How do you know the printhead is ok?
AFL Don    : (If text in the middle of the page is ok, 
             it's less likely to be a printhead 
             problem...)
AFA Fixit  : If the text gets cut off at the top, it's 
             either a pin not firing, ribbon adjustment 
             or ....
AFA Fixit  : printhead positioning.
ECarroll   : Yea I have tried another printer head, same 
             thing
SPEEDLIMIT : In the same IW2 or was that a different IW2 
             ?
AFA Fixit  : The print head does move in and out from the 
             platen with the paper thickness adjustment.
AFL Don    : How about the snap paper guides..   Are they 
             in the position that controls the paper?
ECarroll   : lower case letter don't get cut off just the 
             upper Case
SPEEDLIMIT : Now that's weird
AFL Don    : I saw one IW2 with a similar problem, it 
             turned out it was a result of the missing 
             plastic piece that 
AFA Fixit  : So you are losing the tops off of 
             characters...
SPEEDLIMIT : how about the 
ECarroll   : yea
SPEEDLIMIT : l or t  <<--- L's or T's  
AFL Don    : snaps over the back top of the printer.   
             Hard to see how it could make that much 
             difference, but
AFL Don    : it did..
AFL Don    : Did you comment on whether you've tried to 
             adjust the wheel that trims positioning when 
             color ribbons
AFL Don    : are used?
ECarroll   : Lower Case are fine, upper case are not like 
             T that is cut off t that is not
AFA Fixit  : Is the printhead in the middle of the ribbon 
             top to bottom?
AFC Marvin : To me it sounds like the paper is not lying 
             flat on the platen when printing begins at 
             the top of the
AFC Marvin : page.
AFL Don    : Right, Marvin...  When was the last time you 
             conditioned the platen?  That sometimes 
             works miracles...
AFA Fixit  : The bar at the top of the T is cut off? 
SPEEDLIMIT : Sounds like that anything that is a CAPITOL 
             is chopped at the Top... Walt
ECarroll   : The print head is in the middle
ECarroll   : yea SpeedLimit you are right
AFA Fixit  : Hmmmmm. This happens throughout the page?
AFL Don    : You might try cycling all the dip switches, 
             being careful to put them back where they 
             should be!  Some of these switches control firing 
             energy, and they must not be set incorrectly...
ECarroll   : Yea Fixit
SPEEDLIMIT : Carroll..., have you made any changes to the 
             IIGS software or NDA or CDA or Hardware 
             Recently ?
AFA Fixit  : Then I'd say that it is probably a pin 
             driver.
ECarroll   : It happens on the Self Test too SpeedLimit
AFC Marvin : I doubt it is a pin driver since it only 
             happens at the top of the page.  A defective 
             pin drive would
ECarroll   : I have look at another ImageWriter II I have 
             at My office the din pins are the
SPEEDLIMIT : Don... do you think it would hurt anything 
             if he used something like a Spray type Knob 
             Cleaner on the 
SPEEDLIMIT : Print head ????
ECarroll   : same
AFL Don    : Are you sure that something isn't preventing 
             the ribbon from snapping into place...
AFC Marvin : show up all the way down the page.  Though 
             once I did have a printer that did this sort 
             of thing until
AFC Marvin : it printed for a while and warmed up.  It 
             was a sticky pin in the head that took a 
             line of text to free up and then it would work
             normal.  But if your problem comes back at the
             beginning of each page 
ECarroll   : Yea I do have problems putting the ribbon in
AFL Don    : I'd be very careful spraying uncertain 
             substances on it.  I think WD-40 is ok, but don't
             get any on the platen!  
AFC Marvin : then something else is wrong.
ECarroll   : then I take it out I have problems the 
             ribbon get hung
AFL Don    : Maybe you have two bad ribbons!  They oughta 
             snap into place without any argument...  
             I've seen some
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- was thinking of WD40  ;) but I didn't 
             want to sound stupid  ;) LOL
AFA AndyW  : Hi everyone..
SPEEDLIMIT : HiYa Andy :)
AFL Don    : poor excuses for ribbons, and lotsa problems 
             from ribbons that were not top quality.
ECarroll   : No I look in to that already on the ribbons
AFL Don    : hello, Andy! 
SPEEDLIMIT : Carroll do you re-Ink the ribbons ???
ECarroll   : No
AFL Don    : What happens when you adjust the 
             ribbon-adjustment control?
AFC Marvin : Goodnight all,  I have to get home for 
             dinner.
SPEEDLIMIT : Night Marvin :) have a good one :)
AFL Don    : Thanks, Marvin....  CUL1
ECarroll   : See yea Marvin
AFL Don    : CUL!
AFC Marvin : GNI
SPEEDLIMIT : <<-- I got to get to Folks :)  Have a nice 
             ONE :) 
AFL Don    : Yeah, I've gotta go also...
SPEEDLIMIT : Carroll... hope ya find the problem :)
ECarroll   : Don you mean the black bar inside the 
             printer
ECarroll   : Thanks for your Help SpeedLimit
SPEEDLIMIT : Night Folks :)
AFL Don    : It's probably a simple problem...  No, it's 
             not a black bar, it's a small knob by the 
             side of the printhead, that is provided to
             compensate for variations when using ribbons
             that do not print properly..
SPEEDLIMIT : No Problemo :)
AFL Don    : Your manual tells you how to adjust it when 
             using color ribbons, as I recall...
AFL Don    : Anyway, turn it a little one way, try it, 
             then the other, try it, see what difference 
             it makes.
AFL Don    : It might have drifted from the detent 
             position... 
ECarroll   : Oh, it's the Black nob with the orange thing 
             under it
AFL Don    : Right!
AFA Fixit  : The color ribbon adjustment is the first 
             place Apple's manual says to go for cut off 
             characters.
ECarroll   : Do you push in the orange color 
ECarroll   : Nob
AFA Fixit  : Yes, that's the locking ring.
ECarroll   : and turn
ECarroll   : you turn the lock ring
AFA Fixit  : Turn the top ass'y counter clockwise while 
             holding down the locking ring.
AFA Fixit  : That's if you have an adjuster with an arrow 
             on it.
AFA Fixit  : The older assemblies have a lock nut.
ECarroll   : Yea it has an arrow
ECarroll   : do I push down the lock ring and turn it
AFA Fixit  : Then it's push down the locking ring, while 
             turning the piece with the arrow counter 
             clockwise. That
AFA Fixit  : should move the head down.
AFA Fixit  : Actually, the ribbon up.
ECarroll   : Yea it does
AFA Fixit  : If you don't use color ribbons, you can move 
             it quite a ways without a problem.
AFA Fixit  : If you do use color ribbons, color will look 
             awful if you misadjust things.
AFL Don    : Well, I've gotta run...  Good luck on the 
             printer, Carroll!  Let us know how things 
             turn out...
AFL Don    : Nite, Larry, Walt, Carroll...  BCNU...
AFA Fixit  : See you later Don. 
6/13/94 8:46:05 PM Closing Log file.