AFL Scott Good evening. Welcome to the Apple II Art AFL Scott & Graphics Forum conference for Friday, AFL Scott November 9, 1990. AFL Scott Tonight, we were originally scheduled to have a AFL Scott special guest onhand, but none were found. So, AFL Scott I thought it would be a good time to let you all AFL Scott know about something that should change the way AFL Scott alot of people feel about Apple IIGS graphics. AFL Scott Allison. You've probably seen that name floating AFL Scott around ATB for a few days, now. Who is Allison? AFL Scott Allison was my daughter. My way to show you how AFL Scott I felt about her is Allison -- the program. What is AFL Scott Allison? Allison is the control program for the AFL Scott Enhanced Vision Plus Digitizer. What does Allison do? AFL Scott Simple. Allison, in conjuction with the Enhanced AFL Scott Vision Plus creates the best 16 color pictures in the AFL Scott world -- no exceptions. Who wrote Allison? Jonah AFL Scott Stich and me. In two weeks, Allison will be released AFL Scott to the world. Demo pictures, and a demo program will AFL Scott be available exclusively on America Online for a period AFL Scott of one week. After the one week wait, it will be made AFL Scott available to other online services. Allison, as an AFL Scott upgrade to Perfect View will cost approximately $25 to $35.00 AFL Scott final price has not been settled. At the time of release, AFL Scott Allison will be included with each Enhanced Vision Plus. AFL Scott Allison... Support those who support you! AFL Scott There... I'm done, now. If you have any questions at AFL Scott all, I'll be more than happy to answer them for you! AFL Scott That's all! :) On with the show!:) Terl How good are the pictures? Terl 3200? AFC Tosh Right to the point! AFL Scott The pictures are better than Amiga digitized pictures. I've been told by AFL Bobloo That's really exciting stuff, Scott.. Terl when will the demo come out? AFL Scott an Amiga owner that the pictures in 16 color, are equal to or of greater AFL Scott quality than Ham mode graphics... The demo will be online in two weeks AFL Scott barring catastrophe GuS Grafix I can't wait to see the demo pictures, Scott! AFL Scott The filetype for the raw images is undecided at this time. I'm waiting to Terl Is it better than Vissionary? AFL Scott get back to Apple for the official assignment. AFC Tosh Congrats Scott and Jonah! AFL Scott It is the Visionary board with better software!:) MUCH better software ShanoJ Ugghh.... You'll have to deal with Matt Deatherage then... :( AFL Marty Visionary is the name of the digitizer board (read hardware) AFL Scott Jonah, why do don't you tell everyone about Allison/3200. :) MauriceG1 Who makes the digitizer? AFL Marty Allison (software) processes the raw images created by Visionary. AFL Bobloo (And will it work with the older AST board? ) AFL Scott The digitizer is currently made by Silicon and Software. AFL Scott Unfortunately, no, the Rom on the Enhanced Vision Plus is different than ShanoJ Okay! :) While I was helping Scott with Allison, I kinda whipped out a 3200 ShanoJ collor version. It creates some of the pest dammed pictures I've EVER seen AFL Scott the ROM on the old AST Board. AFL Bobloo Oh well...so now I've got to upgrade my board...:) ShanoJ on a GS (though, it's interesting to note that there isn't THAT much AFC Tosh Sounds like a good reason to upgrade now. AFL Marty pest? :) ShanoJ improvement over Scott's standard 16 color pictures, which is really neat!). AFL Scott Additionally, each board sold will go through my hands first. That way, I can ShanoJ If I do say so myself, it's the nicest program I've written yet. I'm hoping AFL Scott be sure you are getting the best quality pictures the board can deliver. ShanoJ to make the first version of Convert/3200 have an interface that is very ShanoJ similar! :) AFL Scott It is Jonah! It's great!:) AFL Scott Now then, Allison will be shown at AppleFest, By me... at the New Concepts, Inc AFL Scott booth. However, at this time, we have no agreement with New Concepts. So, if AFL Scott in two weeks, the agreement hasn't been finalized, I will ship Allison myself AFL Scott until the agreement comes through. We do NOT anticipate any problems in the Mac Hater will u come to applefest still? ShanoJ (Scott, someone just asked me in an IM if there'll be 3200 color pics in the ShanoJ demo picture upload....) AFL Scott agreement as both parties are satisfied as of 5:30 PM EST tonight. I BRK4bugs :) AFL Scott Sure... There will be 3200 color pictures in the Demo... They will be viewable AFL Scott by Jonah's other 3200 color picture viewer. ShanoJ Heh... Better get cracking on a new version of View 3200 so people can look at ShanoJ the APF files.... :) AFL Scott Additionally, Allison/3200 is coming with Allison at NO charge. Jonah's a good AFL Scott guy!:) AFC Tosh Heart-o-Gold AFL Scott Allison, for those of you who have missed it, is the NEW improved software for ShanoJ Actually, I believe in the GS above everything else, so I thought that it was AFL Scott the Enhanced VisionPlus Digitizer. It digitizes and processes images created AFL Scott by the board. Mercer1 Thanks Scott :) ShanoJ important that people have this program... Scott was nice enough to let me do ShanoJ it! AFL Scott Tyler, tonight, we're announcing a new product for the Apple II GS... AFL Scott Allison... Digitizing software for the Enhanced Vision Plus... Mercer1 An impressive one at that! AFL Scott Additionally, I think I should let you all know... The raw images created I BRK4bugs Yep :) AFL Scott by Allison are 100% compatible with SuperConvert from Seven Hills software... Mac Hater can I ask how many people here own a Enhanced Vision+? AFL Scott so, when SuperConvert and Allison are released, you will have a way to convert Lucky24 Well, I'm borrowing one, but I tell you I really like it! ShanoJ (Allison kicks SuperConvert's butt!!! :) AFL Scott your pictures to even more formats... We firmly believe that Allison, SuperCon AFL Scott vert, The Graphics Exchange, and other Graphics Conversion programs compliment AFL Scott each other and encourage you to use your favorites. Lucky24 Yeah, now we just need 640 x400 AFL Scott Additionally, existing board owners can have their board recalibrated AFC Tosh What's the out put of EV+...320...640 ...both? AFL Marty EV+? AFL Scott to match Allison at a nominal fee of $10. AFL Scott Enhanced vision plus can digitize in the following modes... Lucky24 What is there to match? Or are you talking about the old AST boards? AFL Bobloo Whats it cost me to update my AST board to the Enhanced Vision Plus? AFL Scott 320 gray, 320 color, 640 gray. We opted to NOT include 640 mode at this time AFL Scott to see how the "Support those who support you theme" will work. This is an AFL Scott important time, and it wasn't my desire to compete with any of the other AFL Scott graphic conversion programs. Instead, we opted to give them the best the AFL Scott GS had to offer. Re-inventing the wheel is counter productive, IMHO. Super AFL Scott Convert and the Graphics Exchange (the new one) do OUTSTANDING 320 to 640 mode Mac Hater so no one here besides AFL Scott & "loanee" Lucky24 even owns a EV+? :( AFL Scott conversions, so you're not left out in the cold. Additionally, all the AFL Scott software is compatible, so there should be no big problem. AFL Scott Upgrades.... ShanoJ Hell, I don't even have one, and I helped write the stuff! :) AFL Scott Upgrades are currently available through New Concepts at a cost of $99. This AFL Marty What's the price on an EV+ board? AFL Scott involves the ROM upgrade, and new circuitry to help eliminate noise and crashes AFL Scott when video is lost. AFL Bobloo So I send them the board...and they send me a new one? AFL Scott The board retails for 329.00 but can be had for as low as 249 from Quality AFL Scott Computers. Mercer1 Could you send me some on the EV+? AFL Bobloo And your program will be included with the upgrade? :) AFL Scott No, your board is upgraded, sent to me for recalibration, the shipped back to AFL Scott you. AFL Scott Yes. My program is included with the upgrade at no additional charge. Mercer1 er..info on the EV+ AFL Scott Such as? Specs...? Mercer1 Yes..anything AFL Bobloo We have done some neat stuff with the AST Board... AFL Scott Well, the EV+ digitizes in MONO at a rate of 15 frames per second in full AFL Bobloo But if we can improve the quality of the graphics, would be marvelous! AFL Scott screen mode... In preview mode, with an accelerator board mono preview is at AFL Marty Like what Bob? AFL Scott 4 frames per second. In color preview, using calculated palette, on a non AFL Bobloo We've done school birthday calendars, Marty...With kids pictures taken by Birthday Month AFL Bobloo And then used MECCs Calendar Crafter to print out the calendars AFL Scott accelerated GS the frame rate is approximately one in every 10 seconds.. this AFL Bobloo Kids give them to parents for Xmas presents... AFL Marty What do you use to take the pics? Camcorder? AFL Bobloo Yep...Camcorder into Vision Plus AFL Scott can vary greatly with then number of colors in the raw image. With an AFL Bobloo Print to a LaserWriter AFL Scott accelerated GS, preview in color is approximately 4 seconds per frame. AFL Marty Excellent! AFL Bobloo Really fun project, and the parents love it.. AFL Bobloo But I'm excited about making pictures better AFL Bobloo And I think I've just found out how to..:) AFL Scott I've just finished calibrating DangardAces board, and boy, what a difference!!! AFL Marty I don't think you'll be disappointed Bob. DangardAce Gee Scott you found my board? AFL Scott Listen, being totally objective is hard, but really, this is good stuff. AFL Marty I don't have the EV+ but I have seen Scott's program process the AFL Scott I never lost it, Pete.. it just came today!:) AFL Bobloo Nope. Sure doesn't sound like I will be. AFL Marty raw data files. AFL Bobloo I'm looking forward to seeing it at AFest, that's for sure DangardAce Scott, the settings on that board were EXACTLY as it came from the ex- Lucky24 Will you have to calibrate the Visionary boards, or just the AST boards? DangardAce Virtual Realities. AFL Marty The resulting images are superlative. AFL Scott I'm not going to jerk you people around. It's good software, and it's getting AFL Scott better every day as we're nearing release. DangardAce Are accelerator boards going to improve Allison's performance or just get DangardAce the job done faster AFL Scott However, being totally honest...in order to gain all the benefits from Allison AFL Scott recalibrating the board to match the software is a MUST. GuS Grafix Scott, just out of curiosity what language are you writing it in? GuS Grafix ?APW C? AFL Marty Isn't that the same thing, Pete? AFL Scott Faster, Pete... that's all. The program works the same, just faster. DangardAce APW C = The world's worst C AFL Scott Assembly, Marian.... I tried Orca/C at first, but it was just too slow. GuS Grafix I wondered...and kinda figured that, Scott GuS Grafix Bye Mercer AFL Scott The advantage with C on the GS is this... I used C to generate nearly all of DangardAce Um, I meant I was sarcastically complimenting the company Megamax.. AFL Scott the lookup tables in Allison. I wrote the programs to generate assembly AFL Scott language source so I could save time and just plug them right in. AFL Scott Additionally, C let me find out what worked and what didn't very quickly. GuS Grafix What exactly does the DEMO do, if one doesn't have the hardware? ShanoJ Heh... Wish I'd thought of that, Scott... I did the tables by hand! :( AFL Scott I strongly recommend Orca/C to anyone who is interested in the GS. In my DangardAce So you used APW C? AFL Scott application, though, C was just too slow. AFL Scott I used Orca/C, Pete... just to experiment and generate look ups. DanW190 Then ya go to Orca/M, I presume :) I BRK4bugs Gee, I used Applesoft Basic to generate lookup tables in my last assembly I BRK4bugs program :) (It worked good, too :) AFL Scott Marian... The Demo will include some raw images from beta testers and myself. DanW190 Well, if ORCA/M spelled backwards is MACRO, what is ORCA/P spelled backwards?:) DanW190 Demo, Scott? ShanoJ Or what about ORCA/Disassembler?! :) DangardAce You know, Applesoft is the most accurate (sort of) basic ROM'd ever in a AFL Marty Dan's ears always perk up at the word "Demo" :) DangardAce computer. AFL Scott It will process those raw images so you can get an idea... additionally if AFL Scott you have an EV+, it will digitized. Saving it won't do though. :) AFL Scott Ok... BTW, serious time... This program is work of love. I don't care if AFL Scott anyone buys it or not. That's not the important thing. The important thing AFL Bobloo WEll...I've got to mosey, folks...I'm really looking forward to seeing this at the Fest, Scott, and AFL Bobloo congrats AFL Scott to me is that Allison's memory is preserved in my heart, and I that I could AFL Scott do something for her. AFL Marty Enhanced Vision Plus GuS Grafix That's very touching, Scott! AFL Marty vapor? DanW190 (I, of course, am TOTALLY lost) :) Lucky24 It's miles over the original software that came with the visionary Nuzz If it's from Scott, It will be good... AFL Scott There are still two beta versions to go out to testers... They've been very I BRK4bugs Pics of the local weather woman? Hehheh, now you can put her on the map :) AFL Marty It is excellent software. I've seen it. AFL Scott tolerant up to this point... See.. they haven't been able to save their picture AFL Scott s yet, either... but the next version is going to save in the following formats AFL Scott ... 1. $C1 Pic. 2. Allison RawFile 3. Preview. Preview can be used for AFL Scott things like MiniMovies...etc and can be either Monochrome or Full color. Lucky24 BTW, are you going to have frame grabbing in Allison? AFL Scott It digitizes in MONO, full screen at the fastest frame rate of the board, AFL Scott Lynda... In fixed palette color mode, it's about 3 frames per second... Lucky24 Well, I guess what I'm asking is if you are going to be able to grab AFL Scott you know what it's like in calcuated palette preview mode, though. Lucky24 pics to make into a mini-movie or something... I BRK4bugs Scott, I missed the first part or this meeting. What is the significance of AFL Scott Sure!:) I BRK4bugs the name, Allison? AFL Scott You mean stream digitizing? I don't think it will for this release, perhaps AFL Scott the next one... however, if you're patient, you can digitize frame by frame AFL Scott and save each frame so you can put them together to form a mini movie... the Lucky24 I'd really like to see this feature incorporated into Allison Lucky24 I think this would make the card very sellable Lucky24 Of course, I saw John do it with a video disk AFL Scott mono preview mode is best for mini-movies, Lynda.. Wait till you see mono DangardAce A mini movie.. wasn't that what they wanted to do in the first place? AFL Scott preview....:) AFL Scott Someone asked the significance of the name Allison.... AFL Scott Well, Allison is the name my wife and I selected for our daughter who passed AFL Scott away just before birth. I thought doing something like this on the GS would AFL Scott be a nice way to help share the happiness I felt while she was with me. :) AFL Scott So, I named the program after her. :) I BRK4bugs :) AFC DaveS I like it I BRK4bugs Me too AFL Scott Now that the pain is pretty much gone, the joy in remembering takes over and AFL Scott let's me be happy I have a fitting memorial for Allison. :) AFL Scott Anyrate... Lynda.... AFL Scott Email a detailed spec about what you want as I'm not too clear and I'll see AFL Scott if I can do it in the next release. Lucky24 I'm sure you can... Mac Hater the same thing dreamvision's moviegrabber-thingie did (looked like a vcr) Lucky24 BTW, Allison works great with the Zip GSX AFL Scott Thanks Lynda!:) Lucky24 It looks spectacular, actually AFL Scott <--- serf...:) AFL Scott Thanks!:) Lucky24 I'll let you know how 10 mhz works out next week AFL Floyd (I usually don't get online on Friday nights, but I'm hosting the Utilities 101 chat tonight for AFL Scott Great, Lynda!:) AFL Scott I just want to thank Jonah, for putting up with me throughout the beginning I BRK4bugs I wish I had the hardware to use your software, Scott. It sounds fantastic!! AFL Scott of Allison.... I was really demanding, but you'll see the end results in AFL Scott a faster, more accurate, Convert 3200, I think!:) ShanoJ Hey, I should thank you for keeping me honest, Scott! I would have just let it AFL Scott The neat thing about Allison is that it's palette calcuation is just as fast ShanoJ be, but you just HAD to have it perfect... :) AFL Scott if not faster than similar routines on the Macintosh. :) ShanoJ And you're right--Convert/3200 is going to be AWESOME! Lucky24 It's not bad now AFL Scott Jonah wrote the palette calculation routines for Allison... I did the other GuS Grafix I LOVE it, Scott... IIGS beats Big Mac :) DanW190 Plus it comes in a degradable carton, too! :) AFL Scott Hey, Marian.. you're gonna love this... Preview mode on the Mac in color with AFL Scott ComputerEyes Pro takes 6 seconds... on Allison, color preview on an accelerated AFL Scott GS is about 4 seconds!:) FeinDavid Who's Allison? (Smile) Cappy Did someone mention new digitizer software? AFL Scott Dave... Tell them all what YOU think of Allison... I know you're dying to!:) GuS Grafix Ayup... Scott's been talking about Allison... his new software for the ... GuS Grafix Enhanced Vision Plus digitizer, Cappy FeinDavid On adverage, ALLISON Yeilds BETTER IMAGES BEFORE FINE TUNING!!!! FeinDavid The program is simply the most incredible piece of hardware for the Apple IIgs FeinDavid next to the Transwarp GS, DMA SCSI!!!! Lucky24 You mean ZipGSX FeinDavid Ok... the Zip GSX, and the RAMFAST SCSI too! FeinDavid Allison is what everyone who loves graphics lives for! Cappy ) DanW190 (I would have an audio digitzer, a video digitizer, a Ramfast, a zip chip DanW190 and TWGS.. it's just that......... FeinDavid A easy way to create graphic images that can be taken and used in sooo many FeinDavid different appications.... Paint Programs! Hyperstudio (Hypercrud)! Mini I BRK4bugs Gotta run. Goodnight, and your software sounds great, Scott! AFL Scott BTW, after calibration... I hate to say this, and I'm not competing with anyone FeinDavid Movies..... Before Allison, I would never even consider using the Vision Plus AFL Scott here, but Allison yields a MONO image that is just as sharp and clear/crisp FeinDavid in color... now I hardly use the incredible 15 frames per second monochrome! AFL Marty What do you mean when you say MONO image? FeinDavid Monochrome... Black and White. FeinDavid 16 Shades of gray. AFL Scott as Lightning scan or Quicky..:) AFL Scott Quickie, that is..:) AFL Scott Jonah, and Dave... for the people who missed... Tell them about Allison/3200 FeinDavid Allison gives your IIgs AMIGA quality output..... FINALLY!!!! AFL Marty I don't own a camcorder. Does that mean the EV+ is useless to me? Lucky24 I've been using Allison with just a VCR. It's great. AFL Scott It works great with video disk and VCR, Marty...:) FeinDavid No way, it is more useful than anything else on the market. AFL Marty VCR... I got one of those :) GuS Grafix That's a BIG improvement, Scott FeinDavid Even the color digitizing only needs under a second to capture the image. DangardAce I've been using Allison with a NEC VCR.. rock steady pause and super crisp DangardAce pictures. Lucky24 however, a camcorder would be nice... FeinDavid Once the image is captured on the fly, it is then processed! ShanoJ Can you digitize yourself if you hold the cable coming out from the VCR and hit ShanoJ record? :) AFL Marty I don't have that good a pause. Will it matter? AFL Scott I use it with camera or VCR.. great! One other tester is using it with a DangardAce I printed out one of Scott's very early pics in 16 colors on an HP PaintJet.. GuS Grafix (marty read my mind!) AFL Marty You have to plug the end of the cable in, Jonah :) DangardAce that girl was gorgeous! AFL Scott Zapshot... works great there too!;) FeinDavid If your image is not moving quickly, you can get a fantastic image VERY quickly Lucky24 yeah... commercials come out great DangardAce I wonder how one would handle PRINTING 3200 color pics.. AFL Scott In mono, it's nearly real time, Marian... in color, you have to be a little mor FeinDavid All that is necessary, is ONE SECOND to capture the image. JUST ONE SECOND! ShanoJ Well, you send me a PaintJet and I'll give it a try! :) Lucky24 You can watch tv in black & white on the GS with Allison Lucky24 it's pretty wierd FeinDavid Scott, even you have to admit, that now that the status line comes up, it AFL Scott e carefull, but generally, it works just fine in either mode... It's pretty FeinDavid really shows you that a color capture is still VERY quick. AFL Scott flexible... oh, and yes... color rate is 4 frames per second on the hardware, AFL Scott but the software slows it down some due to processing overhead. There is Lucky24 the color only shows selected frame. The B&W is continuous... just like FeinDavid and four frames is all that is necessary to capture one color image. or is it AFL Scott really nothing I can do about that. :) Lucky24 a tv monitor FeinDavid three scott? AFL Scott Three, Dave..:) AFL Marty You should get a mirror Marian :) FeinDavid With the enhanced Vision Plus, you can actually WATCH television full screen AFL Scott Maybe in future versions, I can speed up preview to work like full screen, but FeinDavid on your IIgs! The EVP is the Apple II's first DMA video digitizer! AFL Scott I'm not promising at this stage. FeinDavid it digitizes directly to your screen in monochrome mode! GuS Grafix Uh, if it's DMA does that mean I'm gonna have problems with my TWGS...which... AFL Scott (monochrome full screen that is, Dave...) GuS Grafix is one of the early ones--with the chips that need replacing in order to handle GuS Grafix DMA? AFL Scott Marian... I use my TWGS with Allison/EVP all the time.. it's great!:) FeinDavid Yep.... The evp has been tested with the transwarp GS, and has successfully AFL Scott NO Problems at ALL!!:) FeinDavid passed... even before the DMA SCSI's ever came out! AFL Scott Anyone got a color scanner they want to lend me... That's my next hit list AFL Scott item AFL Scott :) FeinDavid Say goodbye to waiting seconds for one zoomed in monochrome image.... FeinDavid The Allison package supports the 3200 color conversion mode! FeinDavid And displays outragous results.... FeinDavid (Note, the complete package..... 3200 is a separate program...) FeinDavid So, when will some demo pictures be available scott? AFL Scott Just before we ship. :) FeinDavid With sooo many of the Apple II users purchasing Macintoshes to complement their FeinDavid IIgs, the EVP is a terrific and cost effective way to create graphics for use FeinDavid on BOTH computers!