From: spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) Date: Fri, Dec 4, 1998 03Ç39(H Message-id: <4DEC199806394242@vax2.concordia.ca> In article Gareth Jones writes... >I hang around Delphi's A2 forum, and I have to say that it is pretty civil >and helpful. I think that those who are unhappy with csa2 for some reason, >or with some of the people who frequent it, go to Delphi. The unhappiness >is bound to show up in what people say here and how they say it. The problem I see with Delphi: The Apple II community is a small and isolated group, and it is made even further isolated when people start running off to "hide" on Delphi. comp.sys.apple2 is a usenet group, and that makes it accessible to virtually anyone, with little or no effort, worldwide. Now while Delphi can also be accessed worldwide, you have to *know* it exists, register an account, log-in and forced to nagivate its menu systems and non-standard message reader (don't get me started on hassles of posting). How much more likely is it that someone new finds c.s.a2 over Delphi? Also consider this newsgroup is archived on Dejanews, so if someone searches it for keywords like "Apple II", or "IIgs", "GS/OS", "ProDOS", etc, that get them linked to other remaining Apple II users in a hurry. Delphi is only known by word of mouth. I'm not defending comp.sys.apple2 really (the noise levels here have reached a critical stage) but rather the means it uses to make itself easier to _access_ and _find_. Sometimes I wish we could put all the troublemakers on Delphi and keep comp.sys.apple2 opened to those willing to discuss the Apple II, and civilly. :) I find it kind of disheartening that just because I happen to be a regular of comp.sys.apple2 and not Delphi, I've been missing out on a lot of news events in the II world. Why must people keep important announcements a secret on Delphi? Okay, I know about the Wolf3D incident, but people like me end up suffering because of one or two individuals. Frankly I think it's playing right into their hands, they for some reason wanted to split and fragement the community and they've succeeded. Who's the real winner here? In the end people lurking out there think development in the II world has faded away, lose interest and move onto other platforms and the community shrinks further. Mitchell Spector spec@vax2.concordia.ca