**************************************************************************** ******* ******* ******* ******* ******* The Ray's GS Line Episode ******* ******* "Bagging on The Martyr" ******* ******* ******* ******* ******* **************************************************************************** Presented here is a collection of messages from Ray's GS Line. This is a fight between The Martyr and several board members. The Martyr, who's reputation was already scarred from previous endeavors, claimed to quit piracy. He really changed his name to Billy Pilgrim. What an asshole. Read on. Number : 39 of 99 Subject : *** IMPORTANT PROTERM INFORMATION *** Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 12/24/87 01:28:16 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Hello, with the release of ProTERM v1.9p (only a few steps from 2.0) there have been a couple of noted problems and concerns. Number 1; It still does not have a USRobotics HST driver in the configuration program. Well this problem has already been solved. Myers (of The 9600 Club) re-wrote the drivers to work correctly. I just put up the Super Serial Card one, the Modem Port one is done but I have yet to upload it. They both work. Remember patch for v1.2 will not work with v1.9p. Don't bother trying it, their formats are different. Number 2; The editor DOES work. It can save text/appleworks format (and it works fine) It is extremely radical. I like it better than Appleworks. The editor is version 2.0, the program is v1.9p. (like I said, only a few steps away) Number 3; Greg has fixed many a little upsetting things on proterm. For example, when dialing after few seconds your modem doesn't connect for whatever reason it will keep that boards dial screen there. (instead of returning you to the board list) Number 4; It supports Y-modem CRC when downloading. This will not speed anything up, but will have better error checking. Transit finally works. It fairly fast too! Number 5; ** THE MOST IMPORTANT ** ProTERM supports mousetext and a sound generator, this is a terminal emulation. Like VT-100 and Datamedia are. This is UNREAL!! What is mousetext? Remember when you got your //e enhanced about a year ago? And Appleworks could show like open and closed Apples at the main menu! This will revolutionize bulletin boards. ONLY WITH PROTERM V1.9 - V2.0 ----------------------------- The Sound Generator --> Supports pitch, tempo, tone. It is feasible to actually write a song that could be sent over the phone to the person on the other it. ITS TERMINAL EMULATION: ProTERM Special, so configure your system to that. Compatibility: Semi-compatible with Datamedia 1500. It uses the same hi and lo lite control characters (inverse) left, right, down are the same. The rest are all different. (except for control-g of course) (*note: the up control character is ^K (just like the arrows)) The Future: You'll be using your mouse pretty soon if Greg keeps this up. Learn to use these radical terminal emulations, you'll find boards can and will be MUCH better. The First: The first board in the world supports mousetext/ProTERM special emulation. Brave New World BBS/Y-xmodem 12/24/9600 15meg [Apple*link - Datamedia 1500, ProTERM Special] [ProTERM Emulator] 617-849-0644 (come and see mousetext in action.) Thank you very much, this is very important. Would you like to use mousetext and the sound generator in your system? I will release a text file soon with all the compatible control characters. For making this information possible (and alerting me to the fact that proTERM special emulation is powerful): Ralph Kramden and the person on the line while I figured it out: Sound Wave, thanks for the moral support. (haha) You saw it here first on Ray's ProTAC. thanks, The Martyr of The 9600 Club _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 40 of 99 Subject : Re: *** IMPORTANT PROTERM INFORMATION *** Posted By: Mobius [#46] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 12/25/87 05:20:27 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Sorry Marytr, but yours is not the first board to use moustext. It's been done' lots of times. And nobody will use 1.9 anyhow, as it does not work with the hst patch! Just the poor old slobs with 2400 or less. _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 42 of 99 Subject : Re: Proterm 1.9p Posted By: The Fog [#85] To : Everyone Posted On: 12/27/87 12:46:49 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ ProTERM 1.9p WILL work with 1.2's macros and dial files just transfer PT.DIAL and PT.MACRO over and use them the PT.BIOS file is not compatable, however. The major bug in 1.9p that I have noticed is that it will NOT append to an existing text file. If you have Autocopy on and the buffer fills and writes to the disk that is all that will be written to the disk. It will try and write to the same file and croak. Also there are NO error messages displayed when trying to Append and it aborts or when trying to write to a Write Protected disk. Later The Fog _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 43 of 99 Subject : mobius Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 12/27/87 12:58:58 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Name one. Everyone says that, but no one can name ONE FUCKING board. That has supported mousetext from the users side. I know boardworks shows it on the sysops side but not to the user. Mainly because Mousetalk, nor AE nor ProTERM have had the capability of receiving them. AE has at times because of a random floating emulation bug it had. In which if you hit control-reset, it would go into inverse and display mousetext. Back up these statements. Don't post a two line thing, not proving a damn thing. Going up, ProTERM Special Control Characters put together by The 9600 Club. Support this powerful emulation in your own board. ]tm/the 9600 club _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 44 of 99 Subject : I'll name one! Posted By: Mobius [#46] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 12/27/87 03:36:45 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ I do believe that this very board once supported mouse text before it switched software. And do not go around telling people that they have not seen what they know they have. I don't appreciate having you tell me that I imagined seeing stupid mousetext on a bbs. Besides, what good is it in a bbs? It was meant to create a mac like interface with text programs. How well can that work in a bbs? If I remember correctly there is a software package out called boardworks or something similar that was in use a year ago. It allowed mousetext. In addition, that very last thing I want to see is a bunch of Brave New World clone boards all over the place.(how fitting) _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 46 of 99 Subject : MouseText boards Posted By: Metal_Cat [#39] To : The Martyr Posted On: 12/27/87 06:43:34 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ ok ill name ONE FUCKING board, out here in Illinois it was called Cider Press i think, that has mousetext. well sorry to burst your bubble but hey. Mc, ____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 47 of 99 Subject : Re: I'll name one! Posted By: Sting Ray [#1] To : Mobius [#46] Posted On: 12/27/87 10:38:29 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Boy you have a good memory Mobius. Yes, I was just about to post that I used plenty of moustext and inverse for a good six months or longer when running AE:TAC. Only drawbacks where that most users didn't know enough to delete a few filter characters out of their list to see it, with half the reason being that the trash starts your screen inverse and mousetext by itself and really gets anoying. (Any new terminal programs that are going to support mousetext and inverse should have an "Normal" key so that if trash turns on inverse and/or mousetext, it can be "put" back to normal easily from the users side. Since we have error checking at 9600, we shouldn't have any problems with extra trash causing us to go into mousetext/inverse, but the 2400 baud users will probably have a few problems with it... (Unless they own a 2400 with MNP-3 error correction like the Courier 2400e, but hardly anyone does because they cost to much more than they are probably worth acording to the user.) (Although I love "no-trash" lines because of the error correction, not letting a bit of trash through) About the Tone feature of ProTERM, that really sounds intriguing. (To Martyr, you metioned being able to control pitch/tone/volume or some three variables, but in the text file it just shows ^T and ^TT for short or long beep. Will there be another text file on just how to use the tone/music portion of ProTERM 1.9/2.0? It does give a new dimension to boards to be able to use tone/music! Great job to all the users who are involved in experimenting and learning more about the tone/music portion! (And I thank the The Martyr for comming out with the text file on how to use the other special emulation controls.) Sting _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 48 of 99 Subject : defense Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 12/28/87 12:36:21 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Let me stage my defense. First of all dewd, I never said you imagined seeing it. I wanted someone to name one board, thats all. Because people kept saying "Oh its been done before, its been done before," never saying which board. Which control code turned it on in ASCII Express? (again, I am asking a simple question, not attacking) Mobius, you are crazy. You don't think the ProTERM Special Emulation is useful? You must enjoy bland boards, like Tele-Cat and GBBS, which no emulation at all. No scrolling menus, no nothing. Then thats your problem. Don't call Brave New World, if you don't like it. Metal Cat, whats up? Why so crude in your about message? "burst your bubble" I believe the saying goes. That was uncalled for. All I asked was for someone to name some boards. BOARDWORKS DOES NOT SUPPORT MOUSETEXT ON THE USERS SIDE! ONLY ON THE SYSOPS SIDE. I know the guy who wrote it fairly well. Is it save for me to say the boards were few and far between? Why is it people keep secrets of this. Plently of people would have liked to implement mousetext in their systems. But NO, a random few sysops who figure it out, keep quiet. Now six months later, myself not knowing of any previous boards supporting mousetext, since no one has ever mentioned it in the past. It was my mistake, "First ProDOS board to have mousetext" "First ACOS system to have mousetext" "First board to support ProTERM Special" are those more valid for you? ]tm/the 9600 club _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 49 of 99 Subject : also Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 12/28/87 12:42:38 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Also in my introduction of ProTERM Special emulation, I made this exact statement. " The First: the first board in the world to support mousetext/proTERM special emulation. Brave New World" I guess, I made a fairly correct statement my boys. "..support mousetext/ProTERM special emulation" ------------------ Notice the "/"? In other words, I simply stated BNW was the first board to support mousetext using ProTERM Special emulation. Read closely, you'll see I am not mistaken in that part. Someone trys to notify people that proterm special emulation exists and they come back with rude "burst your bubble" statements. ]tm "recant, recant" _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 50 of 99 Subject : Another Bubble Burst! Posted By: Mobius [#46] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 12/28/87 04:48:54 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ There was once a board called "The Realm of Inconsistency" that used mousetext in gbbs. So that eliminates: "First ProDOS board to have moustext" and "First ACOS system to have mousetext" Of course you could only see it with mousetalk or ae.... _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 51 of 99 Subject : Burst THIS Posted By: Speaker Fone [#23] To : E Posted On: 12/28/87 09:06:50 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ I had a board up called the Potato Patch up in 1985 that not required XX.Propacker files be used, but also had MouseText for use with AE. Here's what you need to know for AE MouseText (as if anybody's going to use it): ESC: Turn on MouseText ^O : Turn on Inverse (Inverse MouseText A=Apple) ^X : Turn off MouseText ^N : Turn off Inverse Voila! But thankx for distributing it around, and making it available. I love mousetext, and thought it was a stinking stupid idea to take it out in the first place. Sound would be nice, but I don't give a fuck about PT 1.3+ until a new GS MODEM PORT HST Driver comes out. Fuck SSC. _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 52 of 99 Subject : Re: Burst THIS Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Speaker Fone [#23] Posted On: 12/29/87 03:15:35 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Realm of Inco. was the lamest board on earth. It was up for about 3 days. There a "little bubble burst" for yourself Dave. So don't go around babbling about how wonderful you board was, since no one called it on its 3 days of life. Poor, poor example dork. That re-activates "First ACOS, First ProDOS!" ]tm/the 9600 club _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Replay [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 54 of 99 Subject : Mousetext and the like Posted By: Belgarion [#106] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 12/30/87 12:51:07 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Well, just to put in my 20 cents worth here, I'd just like to say that the Mousetext looks pretty spiffy. What I can't see is why you guys are slamming each other around over such a lame problem. Big fucking deal if BNW, or here or anywhere is the FIRST, It's nice and all, but it doesnt seem to serve any purpose. Although I must say that BNW is one of my favorite systems anyway, and I wouldnt give a shit if it had mousetext or what not. Bel *-Fytr _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 55 of 99 Subject : Re: Mousetext and the like Posted By: Sting Ray [#1] To : Belgarion [#106] Posted On: 12/30/87 02:54:45 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ I hope nobody thinks that i'm trying to get into the neck biting of the "i'm first i'm first" argument. I understand what The Martyr ment by he was the first to support it for ProTERM. And I also appreciate him making up a text file about it and uploading it so that other sysops can implement it into our systems to improve the looks. (What it going to look like calling with TIC like some users like to use? Just extra characters like a 2 years ago when Mousetext and AE:PRO became popular? Other question I would like answered is if anyone knows how to change pitch and etc on the sound for ProTERM special emulation. Is there only two (high/low) pitches we can use, or is it really music that we can send? Is this possible and sysops are just keeping quiet about it, or is it more like high/low pitch music? Take it easy, Sting _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 56 of 99 Subject : Burst Everyones Bubble! Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/01/88 03:56:32 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Can't believe everyone being so imature! No to this, no to that, I was first on this, I was first on that. What a bunch of little kids... huh? Grow up! I'm Dead Meat _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 57 of 99 Subject : Re: MouseText boards Posted By: WhIrLWinD [#20] To : Metal_Cat [#39] Posted On: 01/01/88 10:16:46 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Yeah, but the fucking board was probably a MouseTalk board...Of course it would have MouseText..Sheesh.. ANdrew _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 58 of 99 Subject : what the hell Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/01/88 05:17:03 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ I am getting in a bad mood over this shit. Everyone seems to feel it is a good idea to voice their opinion. I really don't care what the bulk of you people think. Everyone is complaining over it and bitching. Now Dead Meat (who I have never heard of) is telling us we are acting immature. gawd, forget it. ]tm/no comment. _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 59 of 99 Subject : Re: what the hell Posted By: Dr ProDOS [#3] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/02/88 05:02:57 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ What is this ]tm/no comment all about ??? ]dp/are you a secretary! _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 60 of 99 Subject : MouseText still and Hackers Posted By: Metal_Cat [#39] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/02/88 05:38:51 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Martyr, the reason I said "sorry to burts you bubble" is becuase the way you question was written "Name one other board, dont just say there were others". I interperated it as you saying, yea right, you all say youve seen mousetext but i doubt it. Thats the way >> I << saw it, i dunno about anyone else. And another thing thats just my opinion, if a board goes up with mousetext like that realm of whatever the hell the name is, even for a few days, it still had mousetext and it still was in prodos and in acos, but hey, thats just >> my << opinion, and I know you could care less about my opinion just like I could care less about yours. But anyway. Does anyone have a normal working hacker for the GS and HST? I tried HCS, Hackamatic, Code Crusher, Hack THIS Buddy, Intellihacker, and all of them just sit there and do nothing after dialing the 950 or whatever, do i hafta have something set in the control panel, or a dip switch a certain way? AARGH! Mc. _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 61 of 99 Subject : Re: what the hell Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/02/88 06:21:01 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Hell yes it is good to voice your opinion. This is a FREE country isn't it?? Or was I moved to Russia overnight? Why should I care if you've never heard of me, I don't have a big ego to become "popular", Do you? I'm surprised you don't remember me, we've disagreed a few times in the past. Your just a disagreeable type of person, and i'm sure there are a lot of people you don't get along with. Leave me out of it, I never said a word about anyone in particular and you come back like I posted the message to you. I'm sure everyone else can agree the bitching back and forth puts everyone in a bad mood. Why not just keep on the good side of things, and not argue as much between everyone? Dead Meat _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 62 of 99 Subject : jesus Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/02/88 09:42:19 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ So far, you are the biggest pain in the ass. The only fucking idiot that would upload "GBBS.LOCKUP.HST" would be yourself. Now if some guy has something against Sting Ray, he could wreck his board by calling up and locking it up. (if he didn't have the upgrade, I gather) You want to get ragged? The easiest way is to cut off your connections. ]tm/no comment. _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 63 of 99 Subject : Re: jesus Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/03/88 03:20:28 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ What's Jesus got to do with it dude? The only way to get the info to sysops is to post a public anouncement of it. Are you telling me you've never heard of this bug? I may have underestimated to which portion the info was released to. I was once a Sysop and Sting Ray use to be on my board... We know each other well. Back in the Apple ][+ days before the IIe and IIc ever came about. The information I put forward is to alert sysops of the bug. Every single one of them. Before hand, it was rumors and talked about between hackers who liked to freeze systems. Your telling me I should of just let them keep freezing systems up? If I give the info to a few sysops, they will use it to trade or limit the info so that not all sysops get it. Thereby allowing "bad" sysops to gain pleasure in "Torturing" other boards. The only fair conclusion I came to was to post a totally public announcement so the information could be read by all. I don't think you have misunderstood the situation. It is fixable, and the latest Roms do fix this problem. I'm just alerting the sysops to the fact the matter exists and how to fix it. You had a better way? Totally informing every sysop was the only fair conclusion I could come up with, and of course a fix for it. I could make files of other ways to lock up GBBS PRO/ACOS boards but since the sysops i've spoken with haven't reported any other lockup problems, I find it best to keep quiet about it. Dead Meat _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 64 of 99 Subject : Re: jesus Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/03/88 06:54:02 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Your calling me an idiot and a pain in the ass? Only conclusion I can come up with is that your imature and stuckup. Your the ONLY one that seems to have a problem with this... Maybe that message a few back should of been addressed to you. Cut off my connections? Hah, i'd like to see you try dude. Your just a little kid who runs a board. I can easily change alias and go anywhere I want. I never use my voice phone # and get on wherever I want. I am here to inform sysops of the problem, not condone freezing up the boards, that's why I'M TELLING SYSOPS how to fix the problem. I could of easily kept my mouth shut and just stayed with the hackers and lockup boards. Is this what you think I should of done? I've been a sysop and in the BBS world since 1981, how about you dude? Anyone else on this board have problems getting along with this guy? He has some type of ego trip or something?? I shouldn't of said that, but if he is going to call me names like a little kid, then why not?? He use to be in a rag message with his voice phone #, and it's easy for phreaks to get voice phone #s after you've changed them to private. You want to put up a fight, i'm ready, but take a look back, your the one who started it. I NEVER mentioned your name in any message, and you took it apon yourself to put me down and threaten me, so what choice to I have besides defend myself? Anyone else agree or disagree with this? I'm open to all input from other users... I would like to see more users voice their opinion, but I feel they are afraid of you deleting them from your board or something if they spoke up. Dead Meat _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 65 of 99 Subject : haha Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/03/88 03:25:57 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Dude, Jesus has more to do with it than you do.. Atleast he had half a brain unlike yourself. No, I have no plan of deleting anyone. If you called my board right now, I'd validate you. See, you just think your a stud. Calling me a "little kid" and like. I bet you $10, I am probably older than you. I'll be you $100 I have owned a modem longer than you. I'll bet $1,000,000 that I have been involved in more "rags" then you have. These are things I am NOT proud of, just generalized facts. I do not your shit. Your "GBBS Lockup" information was written in the form, "modem geek can get revenge on sysop" and the like. (with random "haha" throughout the file) So don't play the chords and tell me it was written to warn sysops. You seem to want to fuck around, then thats your problem. Thus I cannot agee with "thats why I'm TELLING SYSOPS how to fix the problem." I don't think your message was directed in that light. ]tm/the 9600 club _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 66 of 99 Subject : Re: more Posted By: Dr ProDOS [#3] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/03/88 11:21:42 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ The Hahahah in the message is a rhetoric laughter.... _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 67 of 99 Subject : Arrgghhh! Posted By: Speaker Fone [#23] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/04/88 01:35:00 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Calm down everybody... This is what Email is for (although it is entertaining me at the moment)! _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 69 of 99 Subject : Re: jesus Posted By: Macro Mike [#6] To : Dead Meat [#15] Posted On: 01/04/88 03:11:24 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Yes, I agree with you dead meat. He sounds like a little stuckup child the way he calls you names, and a hot headed person. I'll bet you he even bitches back and forth with his parents. It's probably a heredity trait. Reminds me of some New York guys who just think they are right all the time and can never say they where wrong. Reason i'm posting is because i'm not on his board and never plan to be, so i'm not afraid of getting kicked off. You may of mislooked one thing though. He probably has the older HST modem and doesn't want to upgrade it, so now all his enemies can lockup his board. That's probably why he is so mad. I've heard of the rumor, but now everyone should know and will probably upgrade. Macro Mike _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 71 of 99 Subject : Re: haha Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/04/88 06:00:06 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Boy do I get a kick out of discussing this guy. First you insult me just because I opened my mouth to give my opinion, which wasn't directed an ANYONE, in fact the message is still back about 15 and is posted to All as you can plainly see, then you want to play some kind of why your better than I am? Should we compaire how many times we've had sex with a female, or how many girl friends we've had, or maybe how many times we have both been in a bar? All you want to do is put me down in any way you can. It started with my voicing my opinion in a message to all, and ended up with a file I wrote about which is being spread around to all the sysops just like I planned. I'll take you up on your first two bets. I had a computer like I stated before in messages back in 1981. It was an Apple ][+. I talked my parents in getting it while I was a sophomore in H.S. (I can remember the days of my Dad using Visicalc and all we had was 13 sectors per disk, and even had some programs I bought from Apple that were on cassette because they sold them cheaper. So I loaded them in, and saved them to disk. All Integer Basic programs..) Save the long story, I got my first modem on my birthday of the same year. It was a MicroModem II before the AppleCat was even made, which I quickly bought next when it was made. Which makes me Class of 83, and i'm 23 years old. So you can keep your money, I don't want it... If you think i'm lying, ask the Sysop of this board and he will tell you I had a board up and running by xmas with 2 disk drives. It was a phreak board and he was on it. And these Rag files i've seen are like you said, nothing to be proud of. I find that most of the rag files are made up by 13-15 year olds that have nothing better to do. (not saying your amoung them!) And most of them are so full of B.S. and you find a Rag file back on the person who wrote it. They are almost like reading the National Enquirer (sp?), there is so much that isn't even true. Dead Meat _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 72 of 99 Subject : Re: haha Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/04/88 06:28:12 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ Boy you can't get away from calling me names can you? You said I had "half a brain", and that "I think i'm a stud" which I would say you have turned around. I'm a user who very few people know, and I voice my opinion not because it has anything to do with my ego, but because I feel the need to voice it every once in awhile. Just like I have been voting since I was 18! Then you go on to say something about i'm fucking around? Your too funny dude. You think my upload of the text file wasn't directed at sysops? Look at the 1st line in the text file. (ok, after the date) This major of a bug isn't anything to fuck around with, or I would of kept my mouth shut and just let the guys who know about it keep locking up the boards. I can agree with you on one account. My message posted on the other board was written with haha and stuff because I was laughing at the bug, and also felt a little devious. It's such a major flaw that was in earlier HST modems and I was laughing a little inside because I waited long enough to get one without the major flaw. If you've read my text file I uploaded, you will not notice any "haha"s in it. It is direct and to the point. Ment to get more sysops to upgrade their modems and stop the hackers from locking up their systems. This argument wasn't started because of my releasing the info about the major flaw in ealier HST modems, it was because you just don't get along with certain people that "voice their opinions" when you don't think they have a right to? Take at look at the first message you started calling me names from and why. (It was because I voiced my opinion about the bitching back and forth between everyone, NOT just you, and it didn't even have your name in it or any hint of any single person I could of been talking about. Take a look back in the messages.) If you are planning on making a rag file on me, i'll just think your less mature, and would hope you to include all previous messages from you and I and my text file about the lockup flaw in older HST modems. It will just make me famous. hahahah. Which wasn't at all my intention at the beginning. In the text file I was even going to advertise this board, but Sting said no thanks, maybe I should of asked if you would of liked your board advertised in it?? Then maybe you wouldn't be calling me names? haha Dead Meat done _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 73 of 99 Subject : Agreed Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/04/88 02:46:39 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Okay, I have calmed down. Ok Dead Meat, maybe I shouldn't have attacked like that, but that post did seem quite cruel to me. You have to admit that there was possibility for a mistake. In mistaking it as a "modem geek trying to get revenge," I guess its your right to voice your opinion. I took that opinion personally however, saying things like "look at the bunch of little kids" and the like. Lets call it quits, it seems all the locals are joining in on the fight.. I fear there maybe more locals than LD on this board. You must agree Macro Mike is out of place complaining about me in the middle of all this. It was his mistake however not yours. MACRO MIKE seems to be only on this board and on no other. He must be local. So of course he will join in and protect other local users. I don't take opinion with a grain of salt. I'm sorry (directed at Dead Meat), I shouldn't have gotten all bent out of shape. Lets call it quits. ]tm/the 9600 club PS. I have been into Apple since 1979. I enjoyed playing integer Star Trek. However I didn't own one until 1983, but I was into Apple from the start. "You notice how this is the only sub-board with any new messages? I wonder why?" _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 77 of 99 Subject : Re: Agreed Posted By: Dead Meat [#15] To : The Martyr [#4] Posted On: 01/05/88 08:03:15 AM _____________________________________________________________________________ You have calmed down? So you are a little hot headed like Macro Mike said? You never said what your age is, pardon me for asking. What is your birthday and Class of? I heard you were still in H.S.? I also apologise for posting the message on the other board, but like Sting Ray told me, most of the messages longer than 1 page long are read by less than 40% of the users. So you will see my "more professional attitude" in the text file that I wrote and all sysops and everyone else is reading, which the part about everyone else is reading really be helped unless I just wanted to release it to a select few of sysops which is the opposite that I wanted to do. Dead Meat _____________________________________________________________________________ [A]uto Reply [Ret]Next [R]ead Again [P]ost [Q]uit: Next Number : 78 of 99 Subject : Its over Posted By: The Martyr [#4] To : Everyone / All Posted On: 01/05/88 02:52:15 PM _____________________________________________________________________________ Its over.. This is a transfer board, not a rag line. I should not have flown off the handle. (and Macro Mike still should have not said anything against me) ]tm/no comment. _____________________________________________________________________________