"William R. Walsh" wrote > > My first question is about an Applied Engineering Vulcan IDE card. I > salvaged this card from a computer scrapyard, and while the card seems OK > visually (and it passes the power-on test) I have been unable to make it > work. I know that sounds like a broad statement...but more specifically: > > Long story short, I'm wondering if I can in fact substitute a hard disk like > that? Will the controller still see it? How do I prepare the disk for use? I have a fair number of these. I've only used them in my IIgs's. I think the firmware may be different in the IIe version. Look at the front of yours. What does the sticker say? It should be something like "20 Meg". There should be a sticker on the EPROM on the card, also. What does that say? It should have a rev and mention IIgs or IIe. You don't need the power supply, you can run the IDE cable out the back and power the hard disk with a separate supply. I've used the supply from a small computer, or an external CDROM drive. The Vulcan firmware limits your choices of drives. They need to have 4 heads. I've also heard that a flash memory card, in IDE mode, will work. Here is a kind of random collection of info I've gathered on the Vulcan over the years. -Paul ========================================= Wayne Stewart wrote: > > So now I have 2 Vulcan HDs. A 40mb IIe and a 40mb IIgs one. > I always thought they were hard coded for a particular HD but while > being the same size the HDs are different makes(MiniScribe & WD) > yet I can use both drives on either card so I'm guessing it's the > size that's hard coded? > Also does anyone know if the Vulcan Gold upgrade was a hardware > or software upgrade? > > Wayne Wayne, I've got two WD 93048-AD's working with Vulcan cards myself. Could you please tell me which model of WD, and Miniscribe you have working? The Vulcan Gold upgrade is a firmware upgrade. I have v1.3GS, v1.3E, v1.4, and v2.0 (gold) here. As far as I can tell, the big difference with the gold is that you can lower the interleave value for faster read/writes. I have tried MANY 40MB, 80MB, 85MB, and 105MB HD's but none of them work. The only ones I have which work are the 93048's. Cheers! --> Jay To format drives using the Partition manager, highlight "format" and type "AE". Used PC drives must have the partion info erased. This program works well: http://www.whitecanyon.com/cleandrivedemo.exe This is an archive with two programs. The one called WipeDrv.exe is the one you want. It completely removes the partition and boot info, but doesn't wipe out the IDE info. It's a free demo that only wipes 25% of the drive, but that's sufficient to allow the Vulcan software to partition the drive. And it's faster than wiping the whole drive. Drives used in the 20 meg Vulcan: +PHYSICAL+ LOG. PAGE 144 MANUFACTURER UNFORMAT WTH. PL CYLS ST CYLS INTERFACE ACC XFER. POWER MODEL NUMBER FORMATED HGT. HD PREC AC HDS REC.METH T-T CACHE MTBF L.Z. ST ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- SEAGATE 25.0MB 3.50 2 404 26 615 IDE(AT) 40ms 7.5Mb 9.0W ST125A-0 21.5MB HALF 4 NONE SM 4 (2,7)RLL 8.0ms 150K AUTO 17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- SEAGATE 25.0MB 3.50 2 404 26 615 IDE(AT) 28ms 7.5Mb 9.0W ST125A-1 21.5MB HALF 4 NONE SM 4 (2,7)RLL 8.0ms 150K (in mine) AUTO 17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Drives used in the 40 meg Vulcan: +PHYSICAL+ LOG. PAGE 144 MANUFACTURER UNFORMAT WTH. PL CYLS ST CYLS INTERFACE ACC XFER. POWER MODEL NUMBER FORMATED HGT. HD PREC AC HDS REC.METH T-T CACHE MTBF L.Z. ST ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- WESTERN DIGITAL 48.0MB 3.50 2 782 27 977 IDE(AT) 70ms 7.8Mb 7.0W WD93048-A 40.0MB HALF 4 SM 5 (2,7)RLL 4.5ms 30K 17 1:1 INTERLEAVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- WESTERN DIGITAL 48.0MB 3.50 2 782 27 977 IDE(AT) 69ms 7.8Mb 6.9W WD93048-AD 43.2MB HALF 4 SM 5 (2,7)RLL 40K (My original) 17 56 BIT ECC, 3:1 INTERLEAVE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- WESTERN DIGITAL 48.0MB 3.50 2 782 27 977 IDE(AT) 28ms 7.8Mb 6.9W WD93044-A 43.2MB HALF 4 SM 5 (2,7)RLL 4.0ms 8KB 40K (Tried, works) 17 56 BIT ECC, 3,329 RPM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- CONNER 3.50 2 788 26 CP-341 42.9MB HALF 4 NONE VC (2,7)RLL Works in Vulcan AUTO COMPAQ OEM, TYPE 17 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- CONNER 3.50 2 805 26 IDE(AT) 29ms 7.5Mb CP-342 42.9MB HALF 4 NONE VC (2,7)RLL Works in Vulcan AUTO ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- MINISCRIBE 51.3MB 3.50 2 745 28 IDE(AT) 28ms 8.0Mb 8.0W MS8051A 42.7MB HALF 4 NONE VC (2,7)RLL 8.0ms 32KB 150K AUTO 3,484 RPM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- MAXTOR COLORADO 51.3MB 3.50 2 745 28 IDE(AT) 28ms 8.0Mb 8.0W 8051A 42.7MB HALF 4 VC (2,7)RLL 8.0ms 32KB 150K AUTO 3,484 RPM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- QUANTUM 3.50 2 834 28 965 IDE(AT) 19ms 9.0W ProDrv-40AT 42.0MB HALF 3 VC 5 (2,7)RLL 6.0ms 64KB 50K May not work afterall. AUTO 17 MZR:8-ZONE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Vulcan Gold firmware allows larger drives. Partition Manager 2.0 works with it. Vulcan Gold can use: Conner CP30084 80meg 1/3 height C/H/S: 903/4/46 Conner CP3104 100meg 1/2 height C/H/S: 1547/4/33 >Anybody know what the four switches (I a dip-switch package) do? >Could I be doing better (or worse) by adjusting them? To quote from the manual, pp50: Switch 1, interrupt enable: This switch must be closed in order for any interrupts generated by the hard drive to pass through to the Apple. (Interrupts are not used at this time.) Switch 2, PS enable: When pseudo-slotting in the Apple IIgs, this switch must be closed. When pseudo-slotting in the //e or ][+, this switch must be open. Switch 3, ][+ boot enable: Leaving this switch open allows a II+ or an unenhanced //e to boot directly from the hard disk. If the hard disk is not to be the boot device in these systems, this switch should be closed. In a IIgs or an enhanced //e, this switch should also be closed. Switch 4, Pseudo-Slot Enable: When this switch is closed, the controller card will show up in slot 7, no matter which slot it is in. With it open, the card uses the slot in which it is placed. 6.11.7) 2.5" IDE drive (44 pin connector) [...] The signals assigned for 44-pin applications are described in table 16. Although there are 50 pins in the plug, the mating receptacle need contain only 44 pins (the removal of pins E and F provides room for the wall of the receptacle). The first four pins of the connector plug located on the device are not to be connected to the host, as they are reserved for manufacturer's use. Pins E, F and 20 are keys, and are removed. +-------------------------------------------1-E-----+ | o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o K C A | | o o o o o o o o o o o o K o o o o o o o o o K D B | +44----------------------20-----------------2-F-----+ +=================-=========-=============-=========-==================+ | Signal |Connector| |Connector| Signal | | name | contact | Conductor | contact | name | |-----------------+---------+-------------+---------+------------------| | Vendor specific| A | | B | Vendor specific | | Vendor specific| C | | D | Vendor specific | | (keypin) | E | | F | (keypin) | | RESET- | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | Ground | | DD7 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 4 | DD8 | | DD6 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 | DD9 | | DD5 | 7 | 7 | 8 | 8 | DD10 | | DD4 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 10 | DD11 | | DD3 | 11 | 11 | 12 | 12 | DD12 | | DD2 | 13 | 13 | 14 | 14 | DD13 | | DD1 | 15 | 15 | 16 | 16 | DD14 | | DD0 | 17 | 17 | 18 | 18 | DD15 | | Ground | 19 | 19 | 20 | 20 | (keypin) | | DMARQ | 21 | 21 | 22 | 22 | Ground | | DIOW- | 23 | 23 | 24 | 24 | Ground | | DIOR- | 25 | 25 | 26 | 26 | Ground | | IORDY | 27 | 27 | 28 | 28 | PSYNC:CSEL | | DMACK- | 29 | 29 | 30 | 30 | Ground | | INTRQ | 31 | 31 | 32 | 32 | IOCS16- | | DA1 | 33 | 33 | 34 | 34 | PDIAG- | | DAO | 35 | 35 | 36 | 36 | DA2 | | CS0- | 37 | 37 | 38 | 38 | CS1- | | DASP- | 39 | 39 | 40 | 40 | Ground | |* +5v (Logic) | 41 | 41 | 42 | 42 | +5V (Motor) * | |* Ground (Return)| 43 | 43 | 44 | 44 | TYPE- (0=ATA)* | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | * Pins which are additional to those of the 40-pin cable. | +======================================================================+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 6.11.8) 3.5" IDE drive (40 pin connector) Interface Signal Assignments and Descriptions The physical interface consists of receivers and drivers communicating through a 40-conductor flat ribbon non-shielded cable using an asynchronous interface protocol. Reserved signals shall be left unconnected. +===========================================+=============+====+============ =+ | Description | Source |Pin | Acronym | +-------------------------------------------+-------------+----+------------ -+ | Reset | Host | 1 | RESET- | | | n/a | 2 | Ground | | Data bus bit 7 | Host/Device | 3 | DD7 | | Data bus bit 8 | Host/Device | 4 | DD8 | | Data bus bit 6 | Host/Device | 5 | DD6 | | Data bus bit 9 | Host/Device | 6 | DD9 | | Data bus bit 5 | Host/Device | 7 | DD5 | | Data bus bit 10 | Host/Device | 8 | DD10 | | Data bus bit 4 | Host/Device | 9 | DD4 | | Data bus bit 11 | Host/Device | 10 | DD11 | | Data bus bit 3 | Host/Device | 11 | DD3 | | Data bus bit 12 | Host/Device | 12 | DD12 | | Data bus bit 2 | Host/Device | 13 | DD2 | | Data bus bit 13 | Host/Device | 14 | DD13 | | Data bus bit 1 | Host/Device | 15 | DD1 | | Data bus bit 14 | Host/Device | 16 | DD14 | | Data bus bit 0 | Host/Device | 17 | DD0 | | Data bus bit 15 | Host/Device | 18 | DD15 | | Ground | n/a | 19 | Ground | | (keypin) | n/a | 20 | Reserved | | DMA Request | Device | 21 | DMARQ | | Ground | n/a | 22 | Ground | | I/O Write | Host | 23 | DIOW- | | Ground | n/a | 24 | Ground | | I/O Read | Host | 25 | DIOR- | | Ground | n/a | 26 | Ground | | I/O Ready | Device | 27 | IORDY | | Spindle Sync or Cable Select | (note 1) | 28 | SPSYNC:CSEL | | DMA Acknowledge | Host | 29 | DMACK- | | Ground | n/a | 30 | Ground | | Interrupt Request | Device | 31 | INTRQ | | 16 Bit I/O | Device | 32 | IOCS16- | | Device Address Bit 1 | Host | 33 | DA1 | | PASSED DIAGNOSTICS | (note 1) | 34 | PDIAG- | | Device Address Bit 0 | Host | 35 | DAO | | Device Address Bit 2 | Host | 36 | DA2 | | Chip Select 0 | Host | 37 | CS0- | | Chip Select 1 | Host | 38 | CS1- | | Device Active or Slave (Device 1) Present | (note 1) | 39 | DASP- | | Ground | n/a | 40 | Ground | +-------------------------------------------+-------------+----+------------ -+ | Note 1: See signal descriptions for information on source of these signals | +=========================================================================== =+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 6.11.9) IDE Hard Disk Interface IDC-40 Male (or this) pin assignment pin assignment 1 -Reset 2 GND 3 Data 7 4 Data 8 5 Data 6 6 Data 9 7 Data 5 8 Data 10 9 Data 4 10 Data 11 11 Data 3 12 Data 12 13 Data 2 14 Data 13 15 Data 1 16 Data 14 17 Data 0 18 Data 15 19 GND 20 Key 21 (reserved) 22 GND 23 -IOW 24 GND 25 -IOR 26 GND 27 IO Chrdy 28 Ale 29 (reserved) 30 GND 31 IRQ14 32 -IOCS16 33 Addr 1 34 (reserved) 35 Addr 0 36 Addr 2 37 -CS0 (1F0-1F7) 38 -CS1 (3f6-3f7) 39 -Active 40 GND