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Peters Editor....................................................Tim Buchheim \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\//////////////////////////////////// ~ GEnieLamp IBM ~ GEnieLamp Atari ~ GEnieLamp PowerPC ~ ~ GEnieLamp A2Pro ~ GEnieLamp Macintosh ~ GEnieLamp TX2 ~ ~ GEnieLamp Windows ~ GEnieLamp A2 ~ LiveWire (ASCII) ~ ~ Member Of The Digital Publishing Association ~ GE Mail: GENIELAMP Internet: genielamp@genie.com ////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ >>> WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE A2Pro ROUNDTABLE? <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ~ August 1, 1995 ~ FROM MY DESKTOP ......... [FRM] HEY MISTER POSTMAN ...... [HEY] Notes From The Editor. Is That A Letter For Me? A2PRO ROUNDTABLE STAFF .. [DIR] DEVELOPERS CORNER ....... [DEV] Directory of A2Pro Staff. News From Online Developers. LIBRARY BIT BONANZA ..... [LIB] RTC WATCH ............... [RTC] HOT Files You Can Download. Real Time Information. THE KANSASFEST REPORT ... [K95] LOG OFF ................. [PUB] A Programmer's View GEnieLamp information. [IDX]""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" READING GEnieLamp GEnieLamp has incorporated a unique indexing """"""""""""""""" system to help make reading the magazine easier. To utilize this system, load GEnieLamp into any ASCII word processor or text editor. In the index you will find the following example: HUMOR ONLINE ............ [HUM] [*]GEnie Fun & Games. To read this article, set your find or search command to [HUM]. If you want to scan all of the articles, search for [EOA]. [EOF] will take you to the last page, whereas [IDX] will bring you back to the index. MESSAGE INFO To make it easy for you to respond to messages re-printed """""""""""" here in GEnieLamp, you will find all the information you need immediately following the message. For example: (SMITH, CAT6, TOP1, MSG:58/M530) _____________| _____|__ _|___ |____ |_____________ |Name of sender CATegory TOPic Msg. 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When you get the prompt asking for the signup/offer code, type: DSD524 and hit RETURN. 4. Have a major credit card ready, as the system will prompt you for your information. If you need more information, call GEnie's Customer Service department at 1-800-638-9636. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" [EOA] [FRM]////////////////////////////// FROM MY DESKTOP / ///////////////////////////////// Notes From My Desktop """"""""""""""""""""" by Tim Buchheim [A2PRO.GELAMP] o TOP OF THE PAGE >>> TOP OF THE PAGE <<< """"""""""""""""""""""" THE FUTURE Lately I have been thinking about the future of the Apple II, """""""""" and this year's KansasFest has only increased this. Quite a bit has happened in the Apple II world recently, some of it negative, but much of it positive. As I have recently discussed in this column, many new products have come out this year, most of which I have bought. All of these programs (at least the ones I have) are of great quality. They're some of the best Apple IIgs programs (not much 8-bit development, unfortunately) I've ever seen. Yet people go on and on about how the Apple II is dead. Well, in some ways it is. Few people use it, there is little software being developed for it, and many people have forgotten that it ever existed. It can't be truly dead, however, as long as there are those of us who continue to use it. Especially while there are still some of us who know how to program it. We programmers especially know how wonderful this machine is, and we love programming it. If we didn't love this machine, we wouldn't still be here. Really, no one is in it for the money. Only an idiot would expect to become rich selling Apple II software. But there is a select group of people who just can't give up this machine for a newer platform. Why? Because it is still one of the best personal computers ever made. It is definitely the best machine for those who want to write software quickly and easily for no reason but to have fun. Let those who want to make money go on to other machines. Real Apple II programmers will stick around, writing the software which users need to enjoy their Apple IIs. Many of us make a living writing software for other platforms. There's nothing wrong with that, it's reality. It's nice, though, when those who program other machines take a look at their Apples every once in a while and write some code for them, or at least use them. I'm sure those who left the Apple II long ago still have fun when they find an old Apple IIe with a dusty monitor and aging Disk ][ drives. I bet the first thing they do is turn the machine on and hit control-reset, ending up at familiar Applesoft prompt. They probably write some little program, amazed that they still know how. The more adventurous types will type CALL -151 and start recalling monitor commands from long ago. Booting DOS 3.3 or ProDOS 8 will probably bring a tear to the old programmer's eye, as he remembers what fun the Apple II was. The Apple II is fun, that's why we like it. I'm sure people have more fond memories of Integer Basic and AppleWriter than whatever they use on their Windows or Mac OS machines. Nothing will bring these people back, though. It's too late for that. The future of the Apple II belongs to those who have stayed around through the difficult parts. Likewise, the future of software development on the Apple II is not big, powerful programs emulating everything available on other platforms, but rather short, simple programs which truly fit the Apple II. We don't need Doom, Netscape, and Microsoft Word. Use another machine for that. The Apple II was created for Lemonade Stand, ProTERM and FrEdWriter! I guess what I'm saying is not to complain that Program X and Program Y aren't available for the GS, but instead to look for software that really fits the machine we've all grown to love. Go ahead, write the GS/OS version of your favorite program on the Mac or PC. I'll probably buy it. But stop all the whining about the lack of software; I've got everything I need, why don't you? -- Timothy Carl Buchheim Editor, GEnieLamp A2Pro [*][*][*] Do you have something to say about GEnieLamp A2Pro? Please post any questions or comments you may have in Category 1, Topic 15 in A2Pro's BB (m530;1). Or, feel free to talk to me (A2PRO.GELAMP) anytime you see me in a Real Time Conference. Readers out there on the Internet: feel free to email me at a2pro.gelamp@genie.com When writing, please tell me where you got your copy of GEnieLamp, if it wasn't on GEnie. I'm always interested to see how many places GEnieLamp ends up :) By the way, the current issue and most back issues are available online in many places. GEnie users should check Library #2 in the DigiPub libraries (DIGIPUB, page 1395;3) Those of you not on GEnie should use gopher software to connect to gopher.genie.com for issues; all recent issues and most older ones are there. [*][*][*] [EOA] [DIR]////////////////////////////// A2PRO ROUNDTABLE STAFF / ///////////////////////////////// ______________________________________________ APPLE II PROGRAMMERS & DEVELOPERS ROUNDTABLE _____ ______ ______________________________________________ /_____|/______\ /__/|__| ___|__| Head Sysop: Hangtime (HANGTIME) /__/_|__| /_____/ Your Sysops: Greg Da Costa (A2PRO.GREG) /________|/__/ __ __ __ Todd P. Whitesel (A2PRO.TODDPW) /__/ |__|__/______ /_//_// / Nathaniel Sloan (A2PRO.HELP) /__/ |__|________// / \/_/ Tim Buchheim (A2PRO.GELAMP) [EOA] [HEY]////////////////////////////// HEY MISTER POSTMAN / ///////////////////////////////// Is That A Letter For Me? """""""""""""""""""""""" By Tim Buchheim [A2PRO.GELAMP] o BULLETIN BOARD HOT SPOTS o WHAT'S NEW o PROGRAMMER'S TIPS o MESSAGE SPOTLIGHT >>> BULLETIN BOARD HOT SPOTS <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" [*] CAT1, TOP2, MSG{210}.........Let's Introduce Ourselves! [*] CAT8, TOP7, MSG{117}.........Programming with ProDOS 16 and GS/OS [*] CAT11, TOP4, MSG{2}...........File Encryption [*] CAT11, TOP8, MSG{108}.........Programming Algorithms and Structures [*] CAT12, TOP6, MSG{100}.........Programming the IIGS Modem port [*] CAT12, TOP26, MSG{127}.........General Hardware Questions [*] CAT15, TOP4, MSG{132}.........QuickDraw II [*] CAT16, TOP2, MSG{249}.........Programmer's Cafe >>> WHAT'S NEW <<< """""""""""""""""" ANNOUNCEMENT Members of A2Pro, """""""""""" Recently, there has been some confusion about the new EMail address "A2PRO". This message is intended to do something about that. The EMail address "A2PRO" is for official correspondance regarding the A2Pro FileType Project, A2Pro Technical Notes, and related topics. The EMail address "A2PRO.HELP" should be used in all other situations where you need to converse with the A2Pro staff in an official capacity. This includes requesting access to the Apple IIgs Front End Beta Test, for one thing, as well as help using the bulletin board, RTC, or library, or just general questions, comments, or complaints. Your message will be routed to an appropriate staff member for action. Please, do _not_ use the A2PRO account for general A2Pro comments or beta test information. You'll get a faster response by going directly to A2PRO.HELP, and it will make our life a little easier. :) Thank you. A2Pro Staff (A2PRO.HELP, CAT1, TOP2, MSG:210/M530) >>> PROGRAMMERS' TIPS <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""" LUDICROUS SPEED SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS The 8530 itself won't be able to """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" handle that rate. Neither will older Macintoshes. LocalTalk does 230.4 Kbps itself, and pretty much hogs the entire machine during transmit/receive. Besides, 2Mbps (synchronous) is 250 KB/sec, which is one out of every four 1 Mhz bus cycles. You're talking DMA or a ZipGS at the very least. Todd Whitesel (A2PRO.TODDPW, CAT12, TOP6, MSG:100/M530) >>>>> Todd, do you have any idea if there is a serial card available for """"" the GS that could handle this rate? Or what it would take to build one? The problem is the communication rate between the GS and the hardware; significant amounts of the information can be safely ignored, but I have to be able to listen at the correct burst rate! Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, CAT12, TOP6, MSG:101/M530) <<<<< Usually when people want Mbps bit rates they just use ethernet, and """"" we all know how available _that_ is. Every so often on the net somebody tries to get going on a coprocessed high-speed multi-port serial card (ostensibly for BBSs). So far none of these has become real. Something like them would be what you'd need, unless there's more to it. All existing serial cards that I know of are designed for modem-level baud rates. As for how hard it would be to build one, that depends on the exact format. If your 'burst' of interesting data is easy to detect and is not too long, then some stock UARTs might be able to recognize it and a FIFO could be used to hold the incoming data until the IIgs reads it. Are we talking RS-232 style bit patterns but at a high baud rate, or something more synchronous looking (i.e. LocalTalk or other HDLC derived protocols) ? Todd Whitesel (A2PRO.TODDPW, CAT12, TOP6, MSG:102/M530) >>>>> A UART on an Apple II card would be REAL NICE. :-) """"" The Turbo ASB attachment for the SSC will do around 130K (haven't got the doc handy), but it still has the ACIA internal limitations. ie. no buffering. Harold had a neat idea a while back when we were discussing possible Apple II serial enhancements. Using a printer buffer for comms. I won't go into detail here, but opens up quite a number of interesting ideas. Regards, Richard (RICHARD.B, CAT12, TOP6, MSG:103/M530) WHAT'S IN A CREDIT CARD? I've seen a few electronic companies offering """""""""""""""""""""""" "credit card readers." Some of these devices can read "track 2" of any credit card. I need a little education here... How many tracks are there on credit cards? What type of information is kept on each track? Erick (E.WAGNER10, CAT12, TOP36, MSG:127/M530) >>>>> There are three tracks on the magnetic strip on credit cards. """"" Track 1 is the credit card track. Track 2 is the bank/ATM track. Track 3 is a read/write scratchpad track. (As I recall -- it's been a couple months since I learned this stuff in my cryptography class :) Eric Shepherd [Team PPCPro] (SHEPPY, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:128/M530) <<<<< Thanks for the info about the number of tracks and their purpose. """"" I wonder on which track, the person's name is stored? Do you happen to have any more info (from your class notes) on the amount, format, order of the info stored on each track? I may need to take these questions to one of the electronics newsgroups... Erick (E.WAGNER10, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:129/M530) >>>>> Yeah, my notes include the complete format for the credit card """"" track (Track 1), but I don't have the notes here -- they're in storage in California. Sorry. :( I CAN tell you that the name, account number, PIN number, and more are all encoded on track 1, though. Eric Shepherd [Team PPCPro] (SHEPPY, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:130/M530) >>>>> If the PIN number is encoded on the card, how come you can change """"" it without getting a new card? Wouldn't that also be kind of dangerous? Someone who knew how to read the cards could get the pin number just by using their own swiper and then go to an ATM machine and get money. Most ATM machines I've seen won't tell you that you screwed up the PIN number until you've finished entering all the information about your desired transaction and it puts up the "Processing your transaction" screen. I assume this means it's actually getting your PIN number off the ATM network. Dave (JUST.DAVE, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:132/M530) >>>>> Dave, """"" >> If the PIN number is encoded on the card, how come you can change it >> without getting a new card? Because the mag track can be re-recorded very easily. >> Someone who knew how to read the cards could get the pin number just by >> using their own swiper and then go to an ATM machine and get money. I would ass-u-me that the data is encrypted in some manner (now if you had a reader, and felt like hacking whatever type of encryption is used, yes, you could indeed read someones card and then go get money with it... this has been done) >> Most ATM machines I've seen won't tell you that you screwed up the PIN >> number until you've finished entering all the information about your >> desired transaction and it puts up the "Processing your transaction" >> screen. Makes the "perp" waste time at the machine. As most perps tend to be nervous, they're more likely to be caught. (or give up) -Harold (HAROLD.H, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:133/M530) >>>>> Yeah, the PIN can be rerecorded at the ATM; I assume a """"" "change-of-PIN" message comes in when you use the card. It is encrypted. Pretty good encryption, too; I don't remember the specifics, but it's not an easy crack. However, Harold's right -- the real point is to make it difficult enough not to be worth a thief's time to try to break. Sheppy [Team PPCPro] (SHEPPY, CAT12, TOP26, MSG:134/M530) PSGS GRAPHICS FILE FORMAT I don't know if this is the right topic for """"""""""""""""""""""""" this, but here goes. :) I'm looking for some info (ala a File Type Note) on the SHR graphics files that PSGS uses (type $F8, aux $C323), so I can convert them into a standard QuickDraw image format (either an icon, DrawPicture format, or raw screen data). I've poked around a bit, and have came up with nothing so far. Also, any sample source that converts this format into QuickraIwul be useful. _ANY_ information would be appreciated! Thanks in advance. --Greg Betzel (SNAKEBYTE, CAT15, TOP4, MSG:132/M530) >>>>> From my May 1988 issue of Scarlett BRCC publication: """"" A regular ps graphic is 572 bytes long. Each bit is a dot on the screen if set. The graphics is 88 dots wide by 52 dots tall. A IIgs PS graphic is similar. There are 3 bit maps for the graphic. The first is yellow, the second is magenta and the third is cyan. The other colors are from combinations. Yellow and magenta is orange. Yellow and cyan is green. Magenta and cyan are purple. All three is black. - James - [IMAGE] (J.GRAY38, CAT15, TOP4, MSG:135/M530) >>> MESSAGE SPOTLIGHT <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""" EASY PATCHING Anyone interested in writing Nifty List modules or GS/OS """"""""""""" patches in C, check out files 4783 and 4784 once they are released. They attempt to hide all the low level details, so that you might get away without knowing 65816 or dispatching details. I, for one, hope to use this stuff for a disk image mounter. - Jay (JAY.KRELL, CAT8, TOP7, MSG:117/M530) NOT BINSCII, NOT UUENCODE, BUT SOMETHING NEW Ok folks, I've been thinking """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" some again (shaddap youse in the peanut gallery ;) One of the things that bugs me is software that runs much slower than need be due to poor coding, poor selection or implimentation of algorithems, etc. Things like UU, Binscii, gsCII+, etc. happen to fall into this category for me... while the conversion of 8 bit data to/from a subset of ASCII can be done very rapidly, typically it isn't. (and things in the Mac world seem to suffer the same way... sigh) Anyway, I was thinking about this, and decided that if one were to throw out all existing standards, and start from scratch, it might be possible to come up with a codec that would blow the doors off current methods. Faced with such a situation I decided to give it a try :) I've just uploaded an archive to Lib 11 (should be file number 4785 when released) that contains the Merlin source (and obj, for those w/o Merlin :) for such a codec. (the source is heavilly commented (as is typical for me) and there is a teach ReadMe as well) My method uses the same character set as Binscii, so I know the output would be able to pass thru Unix boxes unscathed. The bitwise manipulation is done in a manner very closely related to the pre/post nybblize routines found in DOS 3.3's RWTS, and is blazing fast. I'd like some commentary about the general methods used (not the actual implimentation, as that's 6502 code, anything coming out of this would be recoded in 65C816 (or at least 65C02)) -Harold (HAROLD.H, CAT11, TOP4, MSG:2/M530) ERROR CORRECTION CODING Could someone here hopefully suggest where I can """"""""""""""""""""""" find some reasonably easy to understand documentation on Reed-Soloman ECC implimentation? (Error Correction Coding) I don't exactly have ready access to any hardcopy libraries, so URL's or web addresses would be preferable (gota love that GEnie Inet access :) -Harold (HAROLD.H, CAT11, TOP8, MSG:108/M530) >>>>> Harold: good luck... R-S requires the full-blown version of the """"" binary polynomial stuff used in CRC's. I've got source code somewhere that I did for a class once, if you want to look at it. Fair warning: it's in C :) Todd Whitesel (A2PRO.TODDPW, CAT11, TOP8, MSG:109/M530) <<<<< Todd, """"" >> R-S requires the full-blown version of the binary polynomial stuff used >> in CRC's. I have one word to say... ICK! >> Fair warning: it's in C :) Thanks for the offer, but I don't speak "C" (well... I can =sometimes= manage to wade thru C source, but not often... (if I ever get off these blasted painkillers; so my mind (whazzat? ;) starts to work half way right again (again??!! ;) then; learning C is one of my hopefull goals) I think I'm just going to go for two 6 bit checksums in my code... one would be a simple EOR type checksum, and the second would be that same value EOR'd with $3F (quick and simple validity checking on a checksum :) -Harold (HAROLD.H, CAT11, TOP8, MSG:110/M530) PROGRAMMERS' HUMOR I found this over in Chat (page 400) the other day and """""""""""""""""" thought you all might get a kick out of it... THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS 1) Order the T-shirts for the Development Team 2) Announce product availability 3) Write the code 4) Write the manual 5) Hire a Product Manager 6) Spec the software (writing the specs after the code helps to ensure that the software meets the specifications) 7) Ship 8) Test (the customers are a big help here) 9) Identify bugs as potential enhancements 10) Announce the upgrade program (Borrowed from an overhead slide used by a major workstation manufacturer) [Why does the work Microsoft come to mind??] Thanks Henry Cate via Jack Kolb (A2.TONY, CAT16, TOP2, MSG:249/M530) [*][*][*] While on GEnie, do you spend most of your time downloading files? If so, you may be missing out some excellent information in the Bulletin Board area. The messages listed above only scratch the surface of what's available and waiting for you in the bulletin board area. If you are serious about your Apple II, the GEnieLamp staff strongly urge you to give the bulletin board area a try. There are literally thousands of messages posted from people like you from all over the world. [*][*][*] [EOA] [DEV]////////////////////////////// DEVELOPER'S CORNER / ///////////////////////////////// News From The A2Pro Online Developers """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" By Tim Buchheim [A2PRO.GELAMP] o ONLINE SUPPORT IN A2Pro o GNO HELP o READING COMMAND LINE PARAMETERS IN C o PASCAL HELP: USING UCSD UNITS o APPLE II REFERENCE BOOKS AT THE BYTE WORKS >>> ONLINE SUPPORT IN A2Pro <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" CAT TOP COMPANY === === ======= 29 INDEPENDENT DEVELOPERS ONLINE 2 DYA/DigiSoft Innovations Online 8 Simplexity Software Online 14 Quality Computers Q-LABS Online 20 DreamWorld Software Online 26 METAL/FV Software Online 32 Kitchen Sink Software Online 38 EdIt-16 (Bill Tudor) 30 PROCYON, INC. 31 SOFTDISK PUBLISHING 33 GS+ MAGAZINE 34 JEM SOFTWARE 35 PRODEV, INC. 36 THE BYTE WORKS Each month this column feature highlights and news from various developers who provide support via A2Pro. >>> GNO HELP <<< """""""""""""""" BUT IT IS INSTALLED!! After ignoring it for some time, I tried to use the """"""""""""""""""""" GNO by going to my nda's and trying the nda (which came with my version of GNO) to bring up GNO as a window in my Apple IIGS system. Despite the fact that I DO quite definitely have GNO (Version 2, kernel version 2.04) the only thing my that nda did was to inform me that I needed to have GNO. I've also downloaded the other facility here on Procyon's BBS, tnterm. This basically did the same thing, but added to the message some instructions on how I could buy GNO. If either of these are to be of any use at all, I must somehow be able to run them. Can anyone tell me how I can change my system to be able to do that? Thanks muchly, Thomas Donaldson (T.DONALDSON2, CAT30, TOP3, MSG:172/M530) >>>>> Hi Thomas,If I understand what you are saying, it sounds like you """"" have the purpose of the NDAs backwards. The NDAs don't let you bring up GNO, they let you access GNO when you have launched a desktop program from GNO. For instance, this is how I use TMTerm: 1.) launch GNO 2.) from the GNO command line, lauch a desktop program (I seem to be inside AppleWorks GS or GraphicWriter III when I use the NDA's). 3.) while you are in the desktop application (which is running as a process under GNO) pull down the Apple menu and select TMTerm. 4.) TMTerm allows access to the GNO shell inside of window of your desktop program. The details may not be exactly right but the point is you must be running your desktop program as a process under GNO by launching it from the GNO shell. Hope that helps! Regards, Eric Heim (brought to you by a Supra 2400 because lightning ate my Supra 288 :( (E.HEIM3, CAT30, TOP3, MSG:173/M530) >>> READING COMMAND LINE PARAMETERS IN C <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" HEY, THIS IS TOO EASY!! I want to (initially) create an ORCA shell EXE """"""""""""""""""""""" program that will take a filename from the command line and perform an action on it and then dump the modified file to disk with the second term in the command line as the destination filename, like this... PROGNAME From my initial reading of the ORCA/C 2.0 manual, it implies that I merely use the passes values in my Main() of argc and argv (? from memory here). Is it really that simple? (BTW, when I learned C, you couldn't pass parameters to Main, or at least it was not mentioned in the texts I used, which were admittedly pathetic.) I have a question relating to the installation of ORCA/C: I assume that the .CONSOLE patch mentioned in the docs was taken care of in 6.0.1, so the ORCA patch is no longer necessary? :) Joat (A2.TIM, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:528/M530) >>>>> Yes, Tim, it really is that simple. main() with no arguments is how """"" a shell-less environment must invoke C programs. In your case, argv[0] is "PROGNAME", argv[1] is "filename1", and argv[2] is "filename2". Todd Whitesel (A2PRO.TODDPW, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:529/M530) <<<<< Gawd! and all this time I have been worrying about how to implement """"" some things from the shell that I never did because I thought they were too hard. Talk about a wasted life! :/ Joat (A2.TIM, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:530/M530) >>>>> hehehehe. Surprisingly easy to read parameters off the command """"" line in ORCA, isn't it? :) (A2PRO.GELAMP, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:531/M530) <<<<< Yeah, once I know the code, it is very easy. :/ TO think of the """"" years I've wasted. In any case, it seems I have forgotten more C than I care to admit. I will have to find my old C textbook. The Microsoft Qucik Reference Guide I have been trying to use today has been no help at all. Joat (A2PRO.GELAMP, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:531/M530) >>>>> Hi Joat, """"" You're right; the .CONSOLE driver patch is not needed under System 6.0.1. Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:533/M530) >>>>> Um, of course its easy to get to the command line. It's ANSI """"" sanctioned and an older mechanism than many of us here. You all do have half decent C books, right? Hm..I do tend to presume too much, like, if I know it, it is easy and everyone must know it... Mike, btw, I think the command line parsing is broken in that you can't quote the first word. > main() with no arguments is how a shell- >less environment must invoke C programs. Todd, I have yet to look how ORCA/C handles stripping the arguments from main, but I've been under the strong impression that an S16 would still get argc and argv, but argc would be zero and argv either undefined or argv[0] == 0. Shelllessness can also be found out by calling system(). It wouldn't be a bad idea for argc==1 and argv[0] == like, gs2cstr(LGetPathname2) (and argv[1] == 0 of course). Basically, I think the standard nearly forces main to be special cased on callee strips parameters implementations so that int main() and int main(argc, argv) work. They also allow int main(argc, argv, env). Besides special cased object code to deal with all forms, the compiler _could_ output a different .root depending on what sort of main it finds, but I tend to doubt Mike did it that way, since, for one, it means your .root and main have to come out of the same source file. I really ought to just pay attention to the main call and return code I've trace past so many times... - Jay (JAY.KRELL, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:534/M530) >>>>> Mike's code after main() returns doesn't require anything higher on """"" the stack (or it restores the stack pointer explicitly, I'm not sure). In any case it does not rely on knowing how many arguments main() will remove from the stack. The library routines called from the .root file will set argc==0 if GS/OS launched the program. I have a .root replacement I call "FinderMain" that uses this to automatically query the MessageCenter in that case and create a reasonable argv containing all the selected filenames. This is how LHG runs from both a shell and from the finder just by changing its filetype. Todd Whitesel (A2PRO.TODDPW, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:535/M530) >>>>> Clever! This should be standard. """"" (ANIMASIA, CAT36, TOP11, MSG:536/M530) >>> PASCAL HELP: USING UCSD UNITS <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" HELP WANTED *#^$%@$&* ! ! ! !! """"""""""" Why can't I be smart like everyone else? :) Please excuse if this is the wrong topic, feel free to shift it. I have a case of the dumb@$$ that I can't seem to shake. This weekend I tried to sit down to whip out a quick little (ORCA) Pascal (2.1) text program, and thought to myself, "Hey, this is a good chance to try using 'units.'" So I read the appropriate portion of the manual. I looked for help in the "Learn to Program Pascal" book. I looked in the "Learn to program the Toolbox" book. I couldn't find what I needed. The book explains how the source file for a unit is constructed, and gives an example. So far, so good. I write up a little source code file called "mylibrary.pas". It tells me that the compiler will look in the "current" directory for the unit file. Ok, but what do I do with the unit source file? Do I compile it separately? I tried that, and it compiled ok. But what should I put in my _main_ program? uses mylibrary; uses mylibrary.pas; uses mylibrary.exe; -or- uses mylibrary.a; ????? When I try to _Run_ the mainprogram.pas file, I get an error that says there was a label without a reference. There is one such error for each procedure in the unit. As a side note; This all came about because I thought it would be useful to create a unit based on the appendix in the back of the manual that deals with Console Control Codes and Mousetext. Perhaps this was already done and I should look in my sample files somewhere? I did look through them, but most of the sample files seemed to deal mostly with desktop and graphics progra ms. While I'm on the subject, has anyone ever tried to come up with a "text" toolbox, (in the form of a unit or units) to make it easier to develop text-based menu-driven programs, (with an interface like ProTERM) ? ________ |homas (T.COMPTER, CAT36, TOP21, MSG:22/M530) >>>>> Thomas, """"" You need to compile the unit separately. It should create a file called "myLibrary.int" in the current directory. This is the file your main program will look for. The line you want in the main program is this: uses myLibrary; NOTE: If the myLibrary.int file is not created, check the structure of '''' your unit. Every unit needs the words "unit", "interface", "implementation" and "end." ...Sloanie (A2PRO.HELP, CAT36, TOP21, MSG:23/M530) >>> APPLE II REFERENCE BOOKS AT THE BYTE WORKS <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" GET THEM WHILE THEY LAST For the record, here's the Addison-Wesley books """""""""""""""""""""""" we have this second: AW-01 Apple IIGS Toolbox Ref. v1 $28.95 AW-05 Prog. Intro. to the IIGS $32.95 AW-06 Technical Intro. to the IIGS $9.95 AW-12 ImageWriter LQ Reference $22.95 AW-20 Assembly Language for Applesoft Programmers $18.95 AW-22 Applesoft BASIC Toolbox (DOS 3.3) $9.95 Addison-Wesley destroyed their copies of TBR 3 last summer because they didn't want to "waste" the warehouse space. Lots of luck getting a copy... Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, CAT36, TOP34, MSG:24/M530) >>>>> Hi Byte Works, """"" I have a couple of questions regarding APDA (and other) stuff in the new green flyer you sent to me: 1.) APDA-15 GSBug and Debugging Tools Ref. - Is this the same info as in chapter 16 of the ORCA/M manual or is there more to it? (iow, what does this product offer that didn't come with ORCA/M?) 2.) APDA-25 Desktop Toolkit (ProDos) - what is this? 3.) GS-13 ORCA/SubLib Source - what is in this? 4.) GS-15 Utility Pack #1 - what is in this? Thanx! Eric Heim (E.HEIM3, CAT36, TOP34, MSG:25/M530) >>>>> 1.) APDA-15 GSBug and Debugging Tools Ref """"" This would be a complete manual for GSBug -- but an older version. Useful but not 100% essential. 2.) APDA-25 Desktop Toolkit (ProDos) - what is this? A beta product from Apple -- a set of utilities and the like for producing GUI software on the double high resolution screen in 8-bit software. 3.) GS-13 ORCA/SubLib Source - what is in this? This is complete source code for the ORCA libraries. Sheppy [Team PPCPro] (SHEPPY, CAT36, TOP34, MSG:26/M530) <<<<< Eric, the GSBug manual also documents a few programmer utilities """"" besides GSBug. I can send a complete tech sheet if you like; send me your mailing address and remind me what you want. Utility Pack #1 is a set of shell utilities. It includes these: CAL - perpetual calendar CHECK - check a disk for bad blocks CMP - binary file compare LOWER - convert a file to lowercase SORT - sort the lines in a text file STRIPC - remove control characters from a text file STRIPW - remove trailing whitespace from lines in a text file TCMP - text file compare (resynchronizes after differing input) TEE - split a file to standard and error out UNIQ - find unique lines in a file (works nice in combination with SORT UPPER - convert a file to uppercase WC - count characters, words and lines in a text file All of the filters (like SORT, LOWER) accept input either from a file or standard in, and use techniques to process the file faster than if it came directly through standard in. Personally, I think the whole package is worth the money just for TCMP. Mike Westerfield (BYTEWORKS, CAT36, TOP34, MSG:28/M530) [*][*][*] [LIB]////////////////////////////// LIBRARY BIT BONANZA / ///////////////////////////////// HOT Files You Can Download """""""""""""""""""""""""" By Tim Buchheim [A2PRO.GELAMP] o RAMFAST PROGRAMMING INFORMATION o IWM PROGRAMMING INFORMATION o PROGRAMMERS' UTILITIES o SOURCE CODE >>> RAMFAST PROGRAMMING INFORMATION <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" File #4817 RFMEDIA.SRC.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 8/2/95 by HAROLD.H About 43K (d/l time approx. 5 minutes @ 2400 baud) Source for the RamFast Media drivers, as found at HTTP://Hypermall.Com (and following the hardware link to Sequential's area) Unpacked and repacked so it will unpack into a folder Some assy, some 'C' File #4816 RF.API.DOCS.BXY (ALL) Uploaded on 8/2/95 by HAROLD.H About 19K (d/l time approx. 2 minutes @ 2400 baud) This is the RamFast API docs, as found on Internet at HTTP://Hypermall.Com (and then following the hardware link into Sequential's area) Unpacked and repacked to unpack into a folder Some assy, some 'C' >>> IWM PROGRAMMING INFORMATION <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" File # 4798 IWM.INFO.BXY (ALL) Uploaded on 7/17/95 by HAROLD.H About 17K (d/l time approx. 2 minutes @ 2400 baud) This archive contains some info I found while 'net surfing. It covers the IWM chip quite well. Originally compiled by Neil Parker and uploaded here with no editing. PAY ATTENTION TO THE WARNINGS! :) (yes, this covers the elusive IWM Mode and Status registers :) Also covered is how to access 3.5" drives by direct twiddling of the IWM hardware. Note that the required nyblization methods are NOT covered here! (see late //c tech ref, rom listings for examples) >>> PROGRAMMERS' UTILITIES <<< """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" File # 4805 IPC.SPY.2.0.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 7/21/95 by WANKERL About 67K (d/l time approx. 7 minutes @ 2400 baud) This is IPC Spy v2.0. It is a great leap forward from v1.3.2, with an improved user interface, the ability to view captured requests from within IPC Spy, and plug-in modules which let IPC Spy explain new requests by just dropping in a module file! And there's much, much more. Freeware. Distribute to everybody you know, but don't sell it. File # 4800 GZIP1.2.4.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 7/20/95 by A2.TONY About 114K (d/l time approx. 12 minutes @ 2400 baud) This is a port of the UNIX "gzip" for the IIgs. It works great under GNO and I see no reason why it wouldn't work with other shells. "gzip" will compress and uncompress .gz type archives. It will NOT reliably unpack .z archives, so be careful if you decide to try it (use "uncompress" instead.) Documentation, history, algorithms and man pages are included. File # 4787 MACMERLIN.BXY (ALL) Uploaded on 7/4/95 by J.L.WALTERS About 54K (d/l time approx. 6 minutes @ 2400 baud) Huge Merlin source files cannot be loaded into memory and assembled. Instead, the source file must be broken up into a series of files which are linked together by a control file which the Merlin manual refers to as a "Master source file." This leads to a major problem when it comes to commenting &/or changing the source for items referenced in more than one file segment since each file segment must be loaded into the Merlin editor and modified one at a time. An error prone process at best. These macros solve the problem by automatically loading all of the segments (including the Master source file), into a single AppleWorks WP file where global editing changes can be made. Once complete (perhaps days later) you can then save the segments >>> SOURCE CODE <<< """"""""""""""""""" File # 4813 DISPCLIP.S.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 7/27/95 by HAROLD.H About 4K (d/l time approx. 1 minute @ 2400 baud) Some apps (notably PaintWorks Gold) fail to make the scrap manager avail yet they try to support NDA's. Ick!. This source is for a tiny NDA that simply displays the clipboard under System 6.0.1, but with a difference... If the scrap manager isn't available it's loaded, thereby preventing crashes. System 6.0.1 =specific= (NO other versions supported!) Keywords: NDA,Source,Merlin,Scrap,PWG,Clipboard File # 4792 MSCSRC.BXY (ALL) Uploaded on 7/11/95 by HR.MCKAY About 28K (d/l time approx. 3 minutes @ 2400 baud) This is the source code for MSDOS.COPY, an 8 bit assembler program that will read files on MSDOS 1.44M and 720K diskettes and copy them to an Apple disk. The program is written in 6502 assembler and assembled with Merlin 16+. A superdrive and superdrive controller, or a floptical drive, or a Bluedisk are required to read MSDOS 1.44M and 720K diskettes. The executable version of this program is in the Apple user libraries, keyword superdrive. File # 4791 PROSRC.ZIP (MS-DOS) Uploaded on 7/10/95 by HR.MCKAY About 9K (d/l time approx. 1 minute @ 2400 baud) This is the C source code for PROCOPY 1.4. THIS IS AN MSDOS PROGRAM. This program will read 1.44M ProDOS diskettes and copy the data to an MSDOS disk. ProDOS 1.44M diskettes require a Superdrive and Superdrive controller card, or a floptical disk, or a Bluedisk to be created. This file is compressed with PKZIP 2.04G. The executable version of this program is in the Apple II User libraries with a keyword of superdrive. File # 4790 DIS.LAUNCH.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 7/9/95 by J.GRAY38 About 4K (d/l time approx. 1 minute @ 2400 baud) Run ORCA text disassembler with ORCA 2.0 Shell for ORCA/Disassembler v 1.2. This is an ORCA/M version of the qasm source version in file DIS.FIX.BXY (2545). File # 4785 HEX2TXT.01.BXY (ALL) Uploaded on 7/3/95 by HAROLD.H About 7K (d/l time approx. 1 minute @ 2400 baud) This is some sample Merlin source to spark some discussion on efficient ways to encode 8 bit binary data using a subset of the ASCII character set (as is needed to send files thru INet newsgroups, etc) Please see discussion in Cat 11, Topic 4 of A2Pro (once it gets started :) File # 4784 CGSOSPATCH.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 7/2/95 by JAY.KRELL About 56K (d/l time approx. 6 minutes @ 2400 baud) A library/"framework" for writing GS/OS patches in ORCA/C. Includes an example, in a Nifty List module. File # 4783 NLISTCMODS.BXY (GS) Uploaded on 7/2/95 by JAY.KRELL About 29K (d/l time approx. 3 minutes @ 2400 baud) An incomplete library and "framework" for writing Nifty List modules with ORCA/C. Includes an example. [EOA] [RTC]////////////////////////// RTC WATCH / ///////////////////////////// Bits and Pieces from A2Pro Real Time Conferences """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" By Tim Buchheim [A2PRO.GELAMP] o A2Pro WEEKLY RTC SCHEDULE o LEAVE MY RESOURCES ALONE! >>> A2Pro WEEKLY RTC SCHEDULE <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" _______ __________ _________ /_______| /_________/ /________/ SEVEN days a week!! /__/__/__/ /__/ /__/ /________/ EAL /__/ IME /__/ ONFERENCES in A2Pro!! /__/ /__| /__/ /__/_____ /__/ /__/ /__/ |________/ WEEKLY SCHEDULE Stop in and say "Hi!" at one of these conferences. We've been giving away quite a few GEnie usage credits (free time) at these conferences, and you may just win the next one! :) Day Time Event Host --- --------------- ----------------------------------- ----------- Sun 8:30pm-11:00pm Weekly Programmers' RTC Sloanie Mon 9:30pm-11:00pm GS/OS and Toolbox Calls Dave Miller Tue 9:30pm-11:00pm 8-bit Programming Russ Nielson Wed 9:30pm-11:00pm HangTime's HyperBar & Grill HangTime Thu 9:30pm-??:?? Informal - Q&A, chat, whatever A2Pro Staff Fri 9:30pm-11:00pm Getting Started with Programming Tim Buchheim Sat 8:30pm-10:00pm Assembly Language Programming Brian Wells NOTE: All times are in Eastern Daylight Time. >>> LEAVE MY RESOURCES ALONE! <<< """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" When I close a window, all of it's resources get kicked out of memory (but I WANT them to stay loaded!). Is there anyway to make them hang around, besides manually loading them??? Uh... lock them? will that stop them from being unloaded? or just from being moved.. hmm...hold on.. I had the preload flag set...can't remeber if the resources were locked also _AlertWindow has a flag bit saying "leave resources around," but CloseWindow doesn't. right You could detach the resources. :) hmm :) the Window Manager probably wouldn't appreciate that ;) No, but, who cares? :) hmm.. maybe just call HideWindow on the window instead of CloseWindow? Then when the user "opens" it again, call ShowWindow Tim- hmmmmmmmm....... You know, that's a pretty good solution there Tim. :) that IS a good idea :) you could create the window at the start of the app (have it created with the invisible bit set) and close it when the app quits Tim's idea now clears the way for Greg to suck up large chunks of memory in his resources. :) right :) but that's what he wants to do ;) Oh, well, if he -wants- to do it, then it's OK. :) it's for 2 small windows...I don't think the system will miss a few kilobytes of RAM :) [*][*][*] Join us any night of the week for quick and friendly programming help! The staff of A2Pro is always available to answer your questions, or to sit and chat about whatever is on your mind! This month's RTC section came from A2Pro's Sunday night RTC, hosted by Sloanie [A2PRO.HELP]. His RTC is generally the most popular RTC in A2Pro, with many people showing up to ask questions, provide answers, or just hang out and see what's going on in the Apple II world. All or nearly all of the A2Pro staff shows up each week, along with several regular visitors, including some famous Apple II programmers! Don't be intimidated by the large crowds, though; Sloanie and the rest of the A2Pro staff are always ready to answer your questions. Feel free to jump in, even if there's another conversation already happening; we can multitask!! :) [*][*][*] [EOA] [K95]/////////////////////////////// THE KANSASFEST REPORT // ////////////////////////////////// A Programmer's view """"""""""""""""""" By Tim Buchheim [A2PRO.GELAMP] BEFORE KFEST I had to go through a lot to go to Kfest. At first I didn't """""""""""" think I would be able to go this year, because I had other plans for the summer. At the last minute, however, those plans changed, so I was able to attend KansasFest '95. I sent in my registration form as soon as I knew I'd be able to go, and a few days later I got a tentative schedule for the conference in snail mail. I was happy to see that I was able to get a dorm room; renting a hotel room and traveling to/from Avila College would be troublesome for someone who is only 17. :) At this point I used Eaasy Sabre on GEnie to find flight numbers, and told my uncle what flights I wanted. He booked the flights for me, because he had a few thousand frequent flyer miles saved up. :) I didn't know, however, what flights I actually had until the weekend before Kfest, when I got the tickets from him. At this point I learned that I had a very strange return trip. Flying to Kansas City, I would stop in Dallas/Fort Worth for an hour. But on the return trip, I was scheduled to stop off at Chicago on my way back to LAX!! DAY ONE - THURSDAY, JULY 27TH At 12:30 AM, I took off from Los Angeles """"""""""""""""""""""""""""" International Airport. I had a rather boring flight to Dallas, where I had to wait about an hour for my flight to Kansas City. The American Airlines terminal in Dallas is interesting; there's a rail service called TRAAM connecting the 44 gates. Reading all the signs and warning stickers on the doors and stuff is fun, especially the one talking about how if you open the emergency door the train is sent to a special security area. I wasn't quite bored enough to open it ;) I watched CNN Airport News for a while, and had a large Pepsi. Then I boarded my flight to Kansas City, which was just as uneventful as my other flight. Upon arrival in Kansas City, I was greeted by the QuickSilver driver and I picked up my luggage. He drove me to Avila, while we had an interesting conversation about old computers. At Avila, I went to the Marian Center, as indicated on the schedule of events I had received in snail mail. This was the first problem at this year's Kfest. There was no one at Marian Center who knew anything about KansasFest :) Eventually I found someone who directed me to Ridgway Hall (mispelled on all of the KansasFest schedules as "Ridgeway", btw :) to which registration had been moved. I signed in, picked up my room key, door code, and updated schedule. I also paid for my two KansasFest 95 T-shirts. The shirts are of good quality, although I can't say much about the design. A small picture of a GS on the front, but not much else. Next I put my stuff in my room (which I shared with Nate Trost, former editor of GEnieLamp A2Pro :) and met up with some friends in the hall. We talked for a few hours then went to lunch (Second problem with the schedule showed up here: the schedule said 12:00, but then they told us that it was at 11:00. THEN they rescheduled it to 11:30. Fun :) Lunch was typical Avila food. Some of it was edible, some wasn't. The desserts (as always) were good, though :) After lunch was Apple Computer's "Demonstration of New Products." I can't say much about it (I signed a non-disclosure agreement) but I will tell you that you should search backissues of MacWeek for information about new Macintosh models if you want to know what we spent several hours hearing about. :) At this session we also received new schedules (of course:) which (surprisingly) lasted until the end of KansasFest. I skipped the rest of the sessions that day, because Richard Bennet, Sloanie (J. Nathaniel Sloan), and I had to work on the presentation we were giving the following morning. Our presentation involved the new front end for GEnie, but we needed an Apple IIgs on which to run the program. We had all flown in, and had thus not brought ours with us. Russ Nielson, however, was happy to loan us his computer. We worked for several hours finding and squashing some last-minute bugs in the program, taking a break for supper (typical Avila food) and the pizza party. We only stayed at the pizza party long enough to grab some pizza and Pepsi, before heading back upstairs to work on the program (and our presentation) some more. A little while later we were told that Russell Nielson had won the "Bite the Bag" contest. If you don't know what Bite the Bag is, then go to KansasFest next year. If you want to talk to the winner, then come to the A2Pro RTC any Tuesday night, between 9:30 and 11:00 PM Eastern Time :) I took a shower, and went to sleep around 12:30 AM. The others went to bed around the same time, and I remember Sloanie being the last to leave. DAY TWO - FRIDAY, JULY 28TH I woke up at 6:10 AM to the sound of Nate """"""""""""""""""""""""""" coming in to go to bed. He had stayed up all night talking with "Burger" Bill Heineman about the video game industry and other things I can only guess about. I went back to sleep and woke up at 7:00 when my alarm went off. I got up and went to breakfast, meeting up with Sloanie and Richard on the way. We went through the tunnels, of course, (Avila has a really cool set of tunnels linking some of the main buildings) but when we arrived at the Marian Center, we were stopped by a member of the Avila staff who told us not to use the tunnels anymore. We came up with some ideas for our presentation while we ate (or not; Avila doesn't have real great breakfast food. Plenty of Pepsi, though:) and then hurried back to the dorms, where we had to move Russ's computer to the area set aside for telecommunications presentations. At 8:45 AM (Who would schedule something that early? If they do that to us again next year, then I'm gonna.. well, you don't want to know..) Let me try that again. :) At some insane hour of the morning when normal people [programmers] would never be up, we gave a presentation. Sloanie started it off by announcing the name of the program we were presenting. :) The Apple IIgs front end for GEnie is now officially known as Jasmine. That name actually came in fourth in the "Name the GS Front End" contest, but the top 3 names were not usable because they all contained the word "Apple" or "GEnie", both of which are trademarks and thus could not be used by us. We demonstrated the program, and even though it crashed into GSBug once, and we got busy signals from the Kansas City GEnie node for a while, the presentation was well received. Joe Kohn was especially excited.. I think the part he liked best was when we showed how Jasmine supports GEnie's Internet services. I don't think Joe had realized before then that GEnie's version of Lynx, unlike many others, supports ANSI color codes, rather than plain old VT100 :) After the Jasmine presentation, I went to Mike Westerfield's "Inside Morphing" session, in which he told us all how to write our own versions of Quick Click Morph. :) Mike did a great job of explaining the mathematical theories behind morphing, along with some ORCA/Pascal sample code (some of it taken straight from QC Morph) to demonstrate the techniques. He passed out a free disk labeled "KansasFest '95 Quick Click Morph Demo Disk" with the source code and a PaintWorks animation file generated by the actual program. This was one of my favorite Kfest sessions. Great job, Mike!! Next was lunch, same story as always regarding the quality of food. I think we had burritos or something that day. They weren't too bad. (Until later that day, if you catch my drift.:) Sloanie, Richard Bennet, Mike Westerfield, and I (and any others I've forgotten) stayed around for quite a while after lunch was officially over, discussing lots of programming stuff. We spoke for several hours, about more things than I can list here. Afterwards, I saw the end of Tony Diaz's session about how to build a tower case for an Apple IIgs. I missed most of it, but I saw the best part: he brought along his "Apple oddities" including a DuoDisk 3.5" drive (two UniDisk 3.5" drives stacked one on top of each other in a single case) and a strange AppleDisk 5.25" drive which has two daisychain ports and no cable coming off of it. I've heard of one other DuoDisk 3.5" drive, but I've never heard of a 5.25" drive like the one Tony had. At this point I should mention another Apple oddity I saw: Lunatic's Newton 110 (I think it was a 110) with transparent case. "Makes it easier to reprogram the EPROMs," was one person's comment upon seeing it. (Sorry, I forget now who said that.) Next was Greg Templeman's session concerning GSLib. GSLib is a library of routines started by Bryan Pietrzak back when he worked at Softdisk. A very early version is available online, in A2Pro's libraries. After Bryan left Softdisk, Greg Templeman took over GSLib, including the enormous taks of documenting the hundreds of routines. He's still not sure what all of the original routines did, and warned us that some of the documentation uploaded with the old version is inaccurate. Greg has added many new routines to the library, and has received permission from Softdisk to continue development even though he no longer works there. Some of the more interesting routines are those involving 3200 color pictures. One can use his 3200 color graphics routines within any program, even one written in a high level language, like Pascal. The 3200 color display routine even allows for passing the address of a subroutine to call during the VBL period, when GSLib isn't updating the 3200 graphics display. Other useful routines include an all-in-one print subroutine. Just pass your window update procedure to the print routine, and it will handle everything, including errors and user-interaction. That night was the banquet, which was MUCH better than last year's. We had an all-you-can-eat pasta bar and good brownies for dessert. This year's roast was of Steve Disbrow, at EGO Systems (publisher of GS+ Magazine). It was hilarious, especially when Roger Wagner and Tom Weishaar spoke. Following the roast was the tie contest, easily won by Sheppy (Eric D. Shepherd, or "The ShiftyList Guy" to some of you :) That night, Russ Nielson, Sloanie, and I worked on a Top Secret program :) No, we won't say what it is. Don't worry, it's nothing much (only 3 pages of assembly) and probably nothing you want installed on your GS anyway. Several people went to see Waterworld, but working on secret software was more fun :) (Apparently Waterworld isn't all that great ;) Russ, Sloanie, and I snuck out (we didn't want Cindy Adams aka A2.Mom after us!:) and Russ drove us down to the local gas station, where we bought Pepsi, chips, pretzels, M&Ms, etc. That was cool. Oh, except that the only pretzels they had were Rold Gold Fat-free Pretzels. Sloanie bought some anyway, though. DAY THREE - SATURDAY, JULY 29TH I didn't get much sleep that night, we """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" were having fun getting our program to work. (GS Technical Note #34 is cool:) By about 5:00 AM, I figured I should get an hour or two of sleep. Well, Nate and Bill had been talking, and both had fallen asleep, Nate on his bed, and Bill Heineman on mine. So I slept on the floor for about 2 hours. Was better than Avila mattresses. Then I got up, packed, and helped Russ take apart his GS system so he could pack too. I think I skipped breakfast, choosing instead to talk with my friends. Later I headed over to the place where people were selling stuff. I bought some stuff from the Byte Works (had to order QC Morph - it sold out before I got there :) and Sheppy. After that I ate lunch, and then hung out with my friends. We played frisbee with a CD-ROM for a while. (Yes, I'm sure it scratched the CD. So? It was just a Windows/Macintosh signup disk for Another OnLine service :) This was the final problem with the schedule. (I bet you forgot that, huh?) The tentative schedule we got in the mail said Kfest would end at 4:00. Well, it actually ended at 1:00. So many of us had to wait several hours before our flights home. At 4:15 Sloanie and I were picked up by QuickSilver and taken to the airport. I think I rambled about how much California sucks.. I don't remember. Anyay, Sloanie, sorry I didn't take your advice and get more sleep. I don't think I made much sense when we were on the way to the airport. :) (But you were right.. they really SHOULD have a "you're not in Kansas anymore" sign when you leave Kansas. :) I boarded my plane to Chicago, and had another uneventful flight. Third flight on the trip, third bag of Rold Gold Fat-free Pretzels. (yuck! give me peanuts! or at least pretzels with fat! :) In Chicago I had to wait an hour before my flight to Los Angeles. But they kept it interesting: they switched gates shortly after I got there, so I got to walk quite a bit. How nice of them. :/ Then the flight was delayed and I had to wait an extra twenty minutes. Oh joy. When we finally boarded, they gave us, you guessed it, Rold Gold Fat-Free Pretzels. ::sigh:: Finally got to LAX, only about five minutes late. Apparently that flight is always delayed, and they had scheduled in extra time. :) And that's it. Not as good as last year's, in most respects, but actually better in a few. 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